kgunz11 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Some reading for you... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...l=hammer+follow http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...l=hammer+follow After much painful searching, I finally found the post about Mike Foley... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...c=16374&hl= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 t has been over 3 weeks since I last reported my issues that have plagued me for over a year. I sent my gun to Benny Hill at Triangle Shooting Sports as many of you had recommended in the beginning. Benny had contacted me on the forum and agreed to look at my gun free of charge, and turn it around fast so that I could have it back in time to learn the timing and shoot it through Nationals. I sent it out on Monday, he got it on Tuesday and called me. Later the same day he called me with the list, a long one, of the things he did to improve the overall smoothness and timing of my gun, which he called "a x?0-!#% mess". All of these repairs and parts replacements made sense too. He shipped it out the next day, and I got it on Thursday. I have put 500-600 rounds through it with plenty of fast, up-close shots with no malfunctions. I hesitate to call it cured, but it is much better than ever before in timing, trigger, and feel. It was especially smooth today, and I look forward to Nationals.I want to thank Benny Hill for his friendly attitude, fast turn-around, and excellent service-all at a price much less than I expected. He sent me a message the other day I have to share, "Kick ass & shoot fast A’s". Thanks again Benny, I hope to do just that. New Hammer with 25% more engagement surface(still feels smooth too)Polished sear and disconnect for more positive movement Lighter Mainspring Lighter Recoil Spring and Buff Trigger area relieved on frame and grip frame and polished Feed ramp re-cut Disconnected grip safety Each gun stands alone, and Benny can decide what they need, that is the magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Its mechanical not your fast trigger finger. Get your trigger done by a compentent gunsmith. If you are monkeying with over-travel, DONT. You bang up the sear nose and its starts to fall to halfcock and then maybe double. The smith will set it and I have seen many a shooter play with this adjustment afterwards and lose matches or get DQ'ed, not understanding that it is set as "far" as it can be set, so it needs left alone. . period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronEqualizer Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Its mechanical not your fast trigger finger. Get your trigger done by a compentent gunsmith. If you are monkeying with over-travel, DONT. You bang up the sear nose and its starts to fall to halfcock and then maybe double. The smith will set it and I have seen many a shooter play with this adjustment afterwards and lose matches or get DQ'ed, not understanding that it is set as "far" as it can be set, so it needs left alone. . period. Mechanical???? A new gun and a gun just back from STI with the trigger work done by them. I just ain't buying it anymore after reading what Mike Foley and others have been through. Sorry. I may buy that I am crushing the grip hard enough to cause something to be just enough out of alignment but not that these triggers are not set up correctly. The first few pages of Mike's post is exactly what I am experiencing. AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Same problem, same cure. 361-241-1091, thats Benny----------------Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnikoley Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) I've been dealing with this same problem for the last year with my STI eagle. I have taken it back to the gunsmith 5 times. All the guts were changed numerous times, and with different combinations of pats. I still have problems with this gun, but believe I may know what is causing my problem with hammer follow. I believe what is happening is that as I am releasing the trigger, the action of the slide closing causes the gun to be pushed forward into my trigger finger. I was never able to make the hammer follow happen on command, it was always random, but only on close hoser targets. I can now "make" the hammer follow during dry cycling, by cycling the slide while maintaining light trigger pressure. When the slide closes, and the gun dips, the hammer drops to half cock. It only works if my strong hand is relaxed, as it would be if I were doing splits in the .11-.15 range. In re-searching this problem I found a reply on Rob Leatham's Blog that was helpful: http://www.robleatham.com/answers040602.htm Rob explains in his reply exactly the experience I seem to be having. I will try Rob's recommended fix. If it works, I'll let you know. I suspect that the cause of your problem may be the same as mine. Jason Edited July 24, 2009 by jnikoley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Burtchell Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Dang Jason, I'm sorry to hear you are still having trouble with that rascal.. I agree with Larry. Ship or drive that pistol down to Benny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnikoley Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Dang Jason, I'm sorry to hear you are still having trouble with that rascal.. I agree with Larry. Ship or drive that pistol down to Benny. I would, but right now I'm in Colorado and have a big match comming up. I will have the local pistol guru here install some parts for me to my specifications. Hopefully it will fix the problem. I will most likely run into Benny at the RM3G, and if it isn't fixed by then, I'll definitely give it to him. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronEqualizer Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 I will not say mine is cured but I have had it back from Benny for several weeks with zero malfunctions. I have not shot it enough to say it is cured but it is definitely running right now. Thanks again Benny. AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 kgunz11 what kind of flat trigger do you have? can you post picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Rooster, if you don't mind, please direct product questioning to my dealer forums. If you go to http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showforum=196 and start a thread there I can answer any questions you have about product and availability, as well as offer pics, thoughts, and recommendations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 jnikoley, the hammer falling to half cock when you let the slide go forward on an empty trigger is from sear/hammer configuration, which could in part be caused by the hammer strut or pin geometry. After you get your sear/hammer engagements fixed, cutting the hammer hooks a little longer (.024-.026) will most likely stop the doubling you seem to be having. It sounds like your problem could be more "bump firing", but since you say the hammer will "follow" when slide slammed, the fire control components need some attention. Relaxing the grip in the hands so lightly when going fast allows some shooters to "bump fire" the gun. Everyone I've talked to that had this problem releases or loosens their grip on the gun. Strangely enough, loose grip screws can cause the problem in a 2011 also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnikoley Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) jnikoley, the hammer falling to half cock when you let the slide go forward on an empty trigger is from sear/hammer configuration, which could in part be caused by the hammer strut or pin geometry. After you get your sear/hammer engagements fixed, cutting the hammer hooks a little longer (.024-.026) will most likely stop the doubling you seem to be having. It sounds like your problem could be more "bump firing", but since you say the hammer will "follow" when slide slammed, the fire control components need some attention.Relaxing the grip in the hands so lightly when going fast allows some shooters to "bump fire" the gun. Everyone I've talked to that had this problem releases or loosens their grip on the gun. Strangely enough, loose grip screws can cause the problem in a 2011 also. I'm having a new trigger job done, with a new gunsmith, all new parts, and no break-away angle on the sear for more engagement area, but I hadn't thought of the hammer strut being a problem, so I asked my new smith to check it out. The current strut is Ti, but I doubt I have put enough rounds through the gun for the pin hole to have ovaled. The previous smith checked the hammer pin/hole, and sear pin/hole geometry to be sure they were in spec. To be on the safe side, I'm putting in new pins. I was able to demonstrate to my new smith how I can "bump fire" my gun on command, but couldn't do it with his gun, so I'm hoping he can get mine fixed. I do use a softer/relaxed grip when I speed up, although I've been told I use a "death grip", I do relax in order to go fast on the close ones. The grip screws were all tight and locktited. I'll post again if it's fixed, but I'll need to put a couple thousand rounds through it first. Thanks for the suggestions, they have often made me think in a direction I wouldn't have... Edited July 25, 2009 by jnikoley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 If you have any more problems PM me, I'll offer what advice I can to help. If your new guy has any problems or questions with it tell him to give me a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnikoley Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) I will not say mine is cured but I have had it back from Benny for several weeks with zero malfunctions. I have not shot it enough to say it is cured but it is definitely running right now. Thanks again Benny.AL I've had the same thing plaguing me for the last year... Did Benny do anything different in your set up, or just his standard set up? Edited July 25, 2009 by jnikoley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnikoley Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 If you have any more problems PM me, I'll offer what advice I can to help. If your new guy has any problems or questions with it tell him to give me a call. Thanks, I appreciate it. I will! (but really hope I won't have to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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