z06pilot Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 What is a safe max load for hodgon clays in a 9mm with a 147gr plated bullet? An experienced local shooter said 3.3gr was safe and would make power factor, but I haven't found any load data to support this. Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxman Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 In all of the reloading I have done over 13 years, 147 grain 9mm with clays is the only case head seperation I have ever had. Still dont know why, just seems pretty dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I was well aware that Clays and 147s put you right at (or somewhat over) the max book load just getting to power factor. I loaded twenty to 3.5gr under a precision delta 147. The first three chrono'd at 135 PF in my Glock 34, so I stopped. Primers were a little bit flatter than I'm used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldchar Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I tried loading 2.8-2.9 over a 151 Ranier RN in 9mm. Almost a compressed load. Made a 130 pf with a slow slide w/ a 10 lb recoil. My gut said to not increase that load. Clays loads badly and it could get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaystryin Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 2.8 is the max book load with 147gr lead. 2.8 at 1.15 OAL makes 128 in my 5 inch. I have never seen plated or jacketed 147s used with clays in any reloading manual. What is a safe max load for hodgon clays in a 9mm with a 147gr plated bullet? An experienced local shooter said 3.3gr was safe and would make power factor, but I haven't found any load data to support this. Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Works fine in a gun that is set up for it, is safe and not a problem IF you mind your process closely. If you don't know whether or not your gun is set up for it or if you are not 100% sure you can control your process adequately use a slower powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Agree - I've looked far & wide but the ONLY 147 data I've seen is for lead. I prefer Solo 1000 or V V N310 (loaded long to 1.150") for 147s. Clays is not a good idea. 2.8 is the max book load with 147gr lead. 2.8 at 1.15 OAL makes 128 in my 5 inch. I have never seen plated or jacketed 147s used with clays in any reloading manual. What is a safe max load for hodgon clays in a 9mm with a 147gr plated bullet? An experienced local shooter said 3.3gr was safe and would make power factor, but I haven't found any load data to support this. Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z06pilot Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Agree - I've looked far & wide but the ONLY 147 data I've seen is for lead. I prefer Solo 1000 or V V N310 (loaded long to 1.150") for 147s. Clays is not a good idea.2.8 is the max book load with 147gr lead. 2.8 at 1.15 OAL makes 128 in my 5 inch. I have never seen plated or jacketed 147s used with clays in any reloading manual. What is a safe max load for hodgon clays in a 9mm with a 147gr plated bullet? An experienced local shooter said 3.3gr was safe and would make power factor, but I haven't found any load data to support this. Anyone know? solo 1000 and vv N310 are faster burning than clays, why woudn't that make them more dangerous? burn rates http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Agree - I've looked far & wide but the ONLY 147 data I've seen is for lead. I prefer Solo 1000 or V V N310 (loaded long to 1.150") for 147s. Clays is not a good idea.2.8 is the max book load with 147gr lead. 2.8 at 1.15 OAL makes 128 in my 5 inch. I have never seen plated or jacketed 147s used with clays in any reloading manual. What is a safe max load for hodgon clays in a 9mm with a 147gr plated bullet? An experienced local shooter said 3.3gr was safe and would make power factor, but I haven't found any load data to support this. Anyone know? solo 1000 and vv N310 are faster burning than clays, why woudn't that make them more dangerous? burn rates http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html Solo and N310 are single base powders. Clays is double base. THere is more to it than that. But suffice to say: "Been there, done that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kframe_mike Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 The folks that make it have it listed as being even faster than Bullseye on their burn rate chart though.Now whether or not its safe to make Minor with a 147,I don't know.That would probably depend on one's own definition of safe.Personally,I won't do it,no matter how good it feels.-Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark K Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 3.3gr of Clays under 147gr Zeros will make 135pf. No pressure signs in a Glock 34, a Para 18-9LDA and a Browning Hi-power. Like shooting a .22, Quiet and soft. Mark K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z06pilot Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 O.K. thanks for the info I don't think that I am going to chance it with clays. Right now I am running 3.5 of Winchester 231 with a 147gr Berry's on top. Would it be worthwhile to experiment with N310 or Solo? What would be some good loads to try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kframe_mike Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 That 231 load is a good one z06.You might want to check that it makes Minor in all the guns you'd shoot it in though.The next powders I'm going to try under the 147 Berry's are going to be Bullseye(don't laugh) and IMR PB.I'd like to try some Solo 1000,but nobody within a 500 mile radius of me carries it.-Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 The max load with clays is 3 grains. Load accordingly. They wouldn't cycle my gun at 3 grains, so I stopped. I use Solo 1000 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldchar Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The max load with clays is 3 grains. Load accordingly.They wouldn't cycle my gun at 3 grains, so I stopped. I use Solo 1000 now. I agree with leaving it alone, but try a 10 lb spring in a 1911 it should cycle if somewhat sluggish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Here is my Clays data with 147 MBC bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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