Get'em Duck Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 OK I posted a while back that I was browsing for a gun for the little lady and she kept coming back to my 1911. She likes the red dot better then the iron sights so i happened across this gun that was close to our price range and was wondering if tell me two things one what is how does the recoil of a 9x23 compare to a 9mm and two is the notch in the beaver tail normal. I know it's not on my Kimber but STI's are new to me I see a lot of guys shooting them and seen reliable. I can get this gun for less then 800 with 4 mags would that be a fair deal yes no maybe. Thanks guys for your help. It's fun having a women that wants to be involved in the same things I do...she hunts fishes shoots rides atv's and dirt bikes so the least i can do is get her her own game gun. ~Get'em Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 First off, that gun is a Caspian. At least the frame and mags are. The STI frames and mags do not interchange with the Caspian hi-cap. As to 9x23...... if you havea source of brass that doesn't cost and arm an a leg, it could be great deal, at under $800 for an open gun. If it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) The gun in the photo is Not an STI. that looks like an old Para or Caspian. the big thing with both of them is that the slide to frame fit -is most likely- not as good as a newer STI. I would say save your cash for to buy a gun from someone that know what they have. if they will tell you that gun is an STI they just plain do not know. Edit to add I type slower than sfinney, You have to question why the seller is saying the gun is an STI. It could be an STI slide ??? Edited April 9, 2009 by AlamoShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Since that gun is a Caspian with a 5" slide/barrel and a long comp, it's likely to be pretty heavy which is good for recoil reduction, but not as good if she doesn't have enough arm strength. Recoil of 9x23, Super, 9x19, 9x21 or 38SC is going to be virtually identical when driven to the same power factor....some difference in pressure due to the case differences but it's not enough to worry about on the user end. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get'em Duck Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 It must be an STI Slide. I got photos of the other side I was going to look at it Friday but maybe I'll hold off, we are not in a big hurry to pick up a gun just yet. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) It looks like an STI slide. Probably has the STI Texas stamp on the other side. But it is a Caspian framed gun. 170mm big sticks are not common, but can be made by a few guys for $$. If you are looking for an entry level Open gun, like to reload and have a source for 9x23 brass, and can live with lower mag capacity than STI type guns, it could be a good deal at that price. To get started. You could always sell it again later and upgrade. Now, if it doesn't run... its going to be PITA and cost even more money in the long run. If at all possible its advised to shoot a used Open gun prior to purchase. Go ahead and look at it, shoot it, it may be all you need. But uusally when something is priced to good to be true...... Edited April 9, 2009 by sfinney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddy_fuentes Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I have three 9x23 pistols and I really like the cartridge. As stated above, recoil is no different than the others. It seems to push straight back rather than flip up. To me, it looks like a great way to get someone started in the Open Division. Not too much money invested and if she likes it and wants to move up, I think that gun will sell. If you decide not to buy the pistol please PM me with the information...I'm interested. Buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt2ace Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 That's a good price, though brass is not cheap. If the gun is being sold locally, I suggest you get it to a good/trusted gunsmith and have it inspected for fit and function. If the gun gets his blessing, I think its worth the purchase. The Caspian frame is a bit narrower which makes it nice for smaller hands. As others have stated, 170mm mags are not cheap (~$170, check the forum) but they are available. Even a few $100 additional investment would still make this gun a good buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 You can always ream out the barrel to 38 super can you? I know 9mm barrel can always be done to 38 super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get'em Duck Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 I can get a 38 super for about the same money also built on a caspian frame but I hate the percussion that comes with a super. Not to mention how loud they are. so was looking at staying with a 9 or a 40......right now just bouncing around ideas Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 9x23 is very close to being the same as 38Super or 38 Super Comp...or 38TJ... And, loaded to similar power factors, as mentioned, 9mm would be about the same as well. You do reload your own ammo, correct? If you don't then you will probably want to be looking at some other things. That gun, as mentioned, is a build-up gun. It looks to have good materials/parts. It will only be as good as the person that built it. (and, the local hero usually isn't the best Open gun builder) That said, the cost you mentioned is less than the cost of the parts (only) that are in it...by far. If it runs...it's a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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