sperman Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Once the M&P 9L/Pro sell enough to make the list for a limited gun, is it a legal modification to re-chamber it to .40 to shoot in limited? The only applicable rule I can find is "Replacement barrels – provided they are the same length as original factory standard." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 (edited) Got to ask. Isn't there a simpler solution? (must be) Jim Edited November 10, 2008 by JimmyM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 How do you rechamber a 9mm barrel to shoot 40? That would be a neat trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Once the M&P 9L/Pro sell enough to make the list for a limited gun, is it a legal modification to re-chamber it to .40 to shoot in limited? The only applicable rule I can find is "Replacement barrels – provided they are the same length as original factory standard." No --- not unless you're planning on producing parts for 500 of them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 How do you rechamber a 9mm barrel to shoot 40? That would be a neat trick. I assume you get Storm Lake or someone to build a custom barrel. This was more of a hypothetical than anything I actually plan to attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) If you go back to the red Rule book from 2001, changing caliber from factory standard was prohibited in Limited division. That rule has been dropped, so it must now be allowed. Edited November 10, 2008 by wide45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 If you go back to the red Rule book from 2001, changing caliber from factory standard was prohibited in Limited division.That rule has been dropped, so it must now be allowed. O.K. --- then pray tell why if you want a sight tracker you're limited to a five inch DS .40? Having been down this road once with a Bar-Sto 6 inch upper for a Glock 21, the best course of action prior to building/buying would be to contact NROI for a ruling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 They'll tell you it becomes a prototype gun and "welcome to open"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 So much for that idea. I don't understand the difference between having a gunsmith build a 2011 from scratch and swapping the barrell in a plastic gun. It seems to me like the latter is much closer to meeting the 500 minimum than the former. But rules don't have to make sense, they just have to be followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 So much for that idea.I don't understand the difference between having a gunsmith build a 2011 from scratch and swapping the barrell in a plastic gun. It seems to me like the latter is much closer to meeting the 500 minimum than the former. But rules don't have to make sense, they just have to be followed. The difference is you can buy a factory 40 S&W 2011. You can't buy a factory 40 S&W M&P 9L/Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kend Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Once the M&P 9L/Pro sell enough to make the list for a limited gun, is it a legal modification to re-chamber it to .40 to shoot in limited? The only applicable rule I can find is "Replacement barrels – provided they are the same length as original factory standard." You would also have to open up the breechface to fit the 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) You can get a COVERSION BARREL to turn a M&P40 into a 9mm, but not sure you can do it the other way around. I think the 9mm breechface is too small for the 40. ETA that kend beat me to it. Edited November 10, 2008 by Nemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 So much for that idea.I don't understand the difference between having a gunsmith build a 2011 from scratch and swapping the barrell in a plastic gun. It seems to me like the latter is much closer to meeting the 500 minimum than the former. But rules don't have to make sense, they just have to be followed. The difference is you can buy a factory 40 S&W 2011. You can't buy a factory 40 S&W M&P 9L/Pro. But I can't buy a 6" .40 with a caspian frame, STI slide, Kart barrel, etc. from a factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 So much for that idea.I don't understand the difference between having a gunsmith build a 2011 from scratch and swapping the barrell in a plastic gun. It seems to me like the latter is much closer to meeting the 500 minimum than the former. But rules don't have to make sense, they just have to be followed. The difference is you can buy a factory 40 S&W 2011. You can't buy a factory 40 S&W M&P 9L/Pro. But I can't buy a 6" .40 with a caspian frame, STI slide, Kart barrel, etc. from a factory. There's where the 500 components produced comes in. Get S&W to make you 500 slides and barrels and you're all set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 So much for that idea.I don't understand the difference between having a gunsmith build a 2011 from scratch and swapping the barrell in a plastic gun. It seems to me like the latter is much closer to meeting the 500 minimum than the former. But rules don't have to make sense, they just have to be followed. The difference is you can buy a factory 40 S&W 2011. You can't buy a factory 40 S&W M&P 9L/Pro. But I can't buy a 6" .40 with a caspian frame, STI slide, Kart barrel, etc. from a factory. There's where the 500 components produced comes in. Get S&W to make you 500 slides and barrels and you're all set. Who makes 500 of this model? 6" .40 with a caspian 2011 frame, STI slide, Kart barrel, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 There's where the 500 components produced comes in. Get S&W to make you 500 slides and barrels and you're all set. Who makes 500 of this model? 6" .40 with a caspian 2011 frame, STI slide, Kart barrel, etc. I think what Matt was trying to convey is that it's based on 500 complete pistols or 500 of the specific component (like a Kart barrel). From Appendix D2 - Limited Division: Special conditions: — Any complete handgun or components with a minimum production of 500 units by a factory and available to the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 There's where the 500 components produced comes in. Get S&W to make you 500 slides and barrels and you're all set. Who makes 500 of this model? 6" .40 with a caspian 2011 frame, STI slide, Kart barrel, etc. I think what Matt was trying to convey is that it's based on 500 complete pistols or 500 of the specific component (like a Kart barrel). From Appendix D2 - Limited Division: Special conditions: — Any complete handgun or components with a minimum production of 500 units by a factory and available to the general public. I see. So as long as each component meets those requirements, the rule is met. If someone were to make 500 caliber conversion kits (not necessarily S&W) it would be legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 That's the way I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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