cking Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Just got done reading article in Ford World about the 1.6 Liter Duratorq TDCI Diesel engines. This is a common rail split shot injection 2nd gen engine. Delivers 65MPG and top speed of 110MPH will go on sale in England and has ultra low CO2 emmission. However Ford will not bring it to America with the 2010 release. In fact non of the TDCI Diesel engines are going to be sold in the US These are very modern Diesel, not the noisy sewing machine of the past. Are Americans too dumb to buy them or is it something else. Like they don't want the public switching to Diesel????? If anybody knows of any forums talking about this I'd like to find them. No luck on Google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkS_A18138 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 That's why I am going to buy a new VW jetta diesel.......55mpg and will go 120mph. Love that car, very quite also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTerry Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 There was an article on it in Business Week http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/conte...99060491065.htm Just got done reading article in Ford World about the 1.6 Liter Duratorq TDCI Diesel engines. This is a common rail split shot injection 2nd gen engine. Delivers 65MPG and top speed of 110MPH will go on sale in England and has ultra low CO2 emmission.However Ford will not bring it to America with the 2010 release. In fact non of the TDCI Diesel engines are going to be sold in the US These are very modern Diesel, not the noisy sewing machine of the past. Are Americans too dumb to buy them or is it something else. Like they don't want the public switching to Diesel????? If anybody knows of any forums talking about this I'd like to find them. No luck on Google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 According to the Ford commercials I've seen on TV it would be something less than patriotic to buy anything other than a Ford truck, the truck that built America. Those sissy 65 MPG diesel toys are for French Socialists not real Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 would you pay $25,000 for a Ford Fiesta? Ya it would be nice to see more diesel cars, but at about $10,000-$12,000 more for the diesel engine, and diesel running around $.80 more per gallon, where are the savings? Reminds me of the used Prius I saw for $25,950. WOW for a used small car. It just doesn't make financial sense. If you want one for the cool factor or if you are into green living, go ahead. But I just don't don't see the savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Most of my life diesel fuel cost less than gasoline. The recent trend for diesel to cost $0.40 to $1.00 more than gasoline had me confused for a while. It seems the inflated cost of diesel is a result of state a federal taxes aimed at the trucking industry. We can fix that. $9,000 dollar cars and $100,000 cars run on gasoline. It may just be that I don't get it....but I suspect the same could be said for diesel powered cars. To be fair I still want that nuclear powered car they promised me 50 years ago I was supposed to be driving by the year 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Same reason Toyota and others haven't brought their diesel engines to the US...the EPA standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Diesel cars and trucks are here, more efficient and cleaner than gasoline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Most of my life diesel fuel cost less than gasoline. The recent trend for diesel to cost $0.40 to $1.00 more than gasoline had me confused for a while. It seems the inflated cost of diesel is a result of state a federal taxes aimed at the trucking industry. We can fix that. $9,000 dollar cars and $100,000 cars run on gasoline. It may just be that I don't get it....but I suspect the same could be said for diesel powered cars. To be fair I still want that nuclear powered car they promised me 50 years ago I was supposed to be driving by the year 2000. The switch to the new super clean diesel engines wasn't cheap. Since most countries don't have to use it, it doesn't really have to compete on the open market with 'normal' diesel. Same reason the niche market gasoline blends tend to be more expensive. I don't think the taxes help either , but don't let me go down that road or this thread will get closed VERY quickly. You were promised a nuclear powered car? I feel your pain, I was supposed to have a flying car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I was supposed to have a flying car. ...that folds down into a briefcase, no less... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I was supposed to have a flying car. ...that folds down into a briefcase, no less... "His boy Elroy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cking Posted September 28, 2008 Author Share Posted September 28, 2008 I read article in Business week, So either American buyers are dumb or Ford is. I don't hybrids at maybe 45mpg and mid twenties in price and a very complex car, competes with a diesel that if made here could cost below twenty, and get 55MPG or more. So who thinks small diesel will make inroads in US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Volkswagen's Clean Diesels eligible for alternative motor vehicle Federal Tax Credit July 29, 2008 Buyers of Volkswagen Jetta TDI vehicles eligible for a $1300 Federal Tax Credit HERNDON, Va.—Volkswagen of America, Inc. today announced that buyers of the Jetta TDI sedan and SportWagen are eligible for a $1,300 Federal Income Tax Credit. The Internal Revenue Service has issued a certification letter affirming that the vehicles qualify for the Advanced Lean Burn Technology Motor Vehicle income tax credit. "The $1,300 tax credit provides an even greater value to the upcoming Jetta TDI sedan and SportWagen," said Mark Barnes, COO, Volkswagen of America, Inc. "Our clean diesel vehicles offer consumers the fuel efficiency that they're looking for while providing power, utility, performance, safety and excellent value." Jetta TDI sedan and SportWagen showcase the best of both worlds, an alternative fuel vehicle with no compromises. Fuel efficiency, performance and convenience come standard with the 50-state compliant Jetta TDI sedan and SportWagen models, which meet the most stringent emissions standards in California. Vehicles are currently available to test drive at local Volkswagen dealers, both models will be available for sale this August. While the Environmental Protection Agency estimates the Jetta TDI at an economical 29 mpg city and 40 mpg highway, Volkswagen went a step further to show real world fuel economy of the Jetta TDI. Leading third-party certifier, AMCI, tested the Jetta TDI and found it performed 24 percent better in real world conditions, achieving 38 mpg in the city and 44 mpg on the highway.* The Jetta TDI models come standard with Volkswagen's Prevent and Preserve Safety System, consisting of numerous standard safety features. Both the Jetta TDI sedan and SportWagen include six airbags, with optional rear side airbags, and like all 2009 model year Volkswagens, Jetta TDIs also feature standard Electronic Stabilization Program (ESP) for added safety. Also standard for 2009 is Volkswagen's Carefree Maintenance Program, with this program there are no charges for the scheduled maintenance described in the vehicle's maintenance booklet for the length of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty—three years or 36,000 miles, whichever occurs first. For more information please click here. Volkswagen of America, Inc. Volkswagen of America, Inc. recently announced Electronic Stability Program (ESP) as standard equipment on all its 2009 vehicles. As a result, Volkswagen is one of the only original equipment manufacturers to offer an electronic stability control system on their entire product line – ahead of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's (NHTSA) deadline requiring vehicles in the 2012 model year to include stability control systems. Volkswagen's ESP technology works in conjunction with anti-lock brakes and helps reduce loss of control and rollovers to avoid crashes. NHTSA predicts nearly 10,000 lives could be saved each year if automakers included stability systems as standard equipment. Founded in 1955, Volkswagen of America, Inc. is headquartered in Herndon, Va. It is a subsidiary of Volkswagen AG, headquartered in Wolfsburg, Germany. Volkswagen is one of the world's largest producers of passenger cars and Europe's largest automaker. Volkswagen sells the Rabbit, New Beetle, New Beetle Convertible, GTI, Jetta, GLI, Passat, Passat Wagon, Eos, Tiguan and Touareg 2 through approximately 600 independent U.S. dealers. Visit Volkswagen of America online at vw.com. *29 city / 40 highway EPA estimates. 38 city / 44 highway real world fuel economy based on AMCI testing. Your mileage may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) Are Americans too dumb to buy them or is it something else. Like they don't want the public switching to Diesel?????If anybody knows of any forums talking about this I'd like to find them. No luck on Google I spoke to a friend in the industry about this exact car on Sat. Cost to Ford to bring this car through the DOT and NHSTA approval process is well over a million dollars per model (and every model has to be submitted). AND, they can't simply submit the Euro model here for testing: it turns out that European side-impact limits are LOWER than in the USA (something about them knowing how to drive & there being fewer SUVs driven by idiots over there), so things like the window height would have to be increased, metal added to the door and frame, etc.. SO, a USA model would require a complete re-design (which would be costly). BTW - Ford has no money since $2000 of every car sold goes to greedy union "legacy costs." Ergo: no 65 MPG Ford for us. Edited September 29, 2008 by Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgunz11 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Buy the Jetta. They can 40+ easily. I own a Ford diesel, probably the 8th one I've owned. I wish Toyota would bring their 3.1 diesel Tacoma to the states that gets 28+ mpg. I started truck shopping the other day myself. Was looking at the new Chevrolet with the smart technology that turns off 4 of the cylinders when you hit cruising speeds. So far everyone I have talked to (except the salesman) said it offers no advantage in fuel economy. Even the window sticker remains the same as non featured models. I decided I am going to take the 35" all terrain tires off my truck and go back to something a little more factory sized. I get 16 mpg now and can get back up to the 18 mark with smaller tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Moore Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 BTW - Ford has no money since $2000 of every car sold goes to greedy union "legacy costs."/quote]This is one of the biggest reasons car companies in the US can't build a cheap small car. Americans will not spend $30k on a Ford Ka which sells very well in South American for much less. (which have no unions). I personally know an individual making $80k per year cleaning bathrooms at one of the big three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston in Austin Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 The smartest thing for the big three to do is stop selling in the US. They make more on the cars they produce and sell outside of the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pevadijk Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I drive a 2007 Ford Focus Tdci and it drives real nice! There's only some diesel-noise when you start it in cold weather, but when the engine is warm, you don't really notice it's a diesel. Here in Europe diesels are very common and diesel fuel is a little less expensive, but you get much much better fuel economy and a diesel pulls real nice from low revs...........man, I love torque! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Gundry Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Read some of the stories about the VW Polo TDI's - there's a few cases of people getting OVER 100 mpg. And the Polo is just a bit smaller than the Golf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) My dad used to own a small diesel citroen (I forget which model). One time he was driving at 60mph down the Motorway and the onboard computer was showing him 80mpg. Some states in US have tighter diesel laws. I have heard that some car makers will not bring diesel cars over if they cannot sell in all 50 states. I'll leave you to guess which states. Edited October 1, 2008 by BritinUSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kframe_mike Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I'm wondering if we shouldn't be putting effort into biodiesel instead of ethanol.It just seems like a simpler,more efficiant process to me.I mean just grow it,squeeze it,filter it,then burn it.I'm not sure how the land to yield ratio would work out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Unfortunately biodiesel uses up MORE diesel than they produce. The tractors need to run on something. The reason we don't see European diesel cars in the US is all do to politics. Idiot politicians that don't have engineering degrees think they know what is more effecient and environmentally friendly. Moller says the flying car is right around the corner. http://www.moller.com/ You should put in your deposit for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleStacker45 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I've read that british fuel estimates are sometimes wrong due to the fact that a british gallon is bigger than a U.S. gallon. Ran into that watching top gear when they were getting much higher mileage on the volkswagen than we do here in the states. Anyone found that to be true? Mule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I'm wondering if we shouldn't be putting effort into biodiesel instead of ethanol.It just seems like a simpler,more efficiant process to me.I mean just grow it,squeeze it,filter it,then burn it.I'm not sure how the land to yield ratio would work out though. Using our food (corn) as a source of fuel is a horrible idea. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austinkroe Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) I drive a Jetta TDI and I am very happy. I do not think I would consider going with a Ford product unless it offered a significant advantage. Although I do not see why Ford couldn't just substitute the diesel engine they designed into a current production car. The safety standards would already be met they would just have to pass EPA standards. A little market competition in the US for some diesel cars would be nice. I love my car and if I cruise on the highway at the speed limit I can get 45+ mpg with power to spare for passing trucks and whatnot. I do get odd looks at the pump though. In fact once in Texas I had an attendant come running out to warn me that I was putting diesel in my car and not gas. Plus I think even though I drive a Jetta I get to keep my man card because it is a diesel. Smart cars and Priuses be damned I get to fill up with the big boys on the highway. What I really want to see is a very powerful diesel hybrid. It worked for the submarines in WWII so why can it not work now? Besides from everything I have read the generators to charge the batteries fun mostly on torque which diesels have in spades. Don't get me wrong here I am not advocating hybrids, i just wish I had something big and powerful that could get me to the big matches on fewer gallons and I think diesel is part of that answer. It would at least tide me over until I got my nuclear powered hover car. BTW biodiesel is only an answer for using up waste oils that are already out there. Actually producing it is a bad idea as it would exhaust our food supply in short order. Edited October 1, 2008 by austinkroe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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