PSIShapiro Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 I have a friend who is looking to upgrade his sights on his S&W M&P9 Pro. He wants to try Sure Sights Are these legal as conventional notch and post type sights? Looking for confirmation before paying for. Any insight would be helpful. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 I looked but I would question if that is a post and notch type sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdmoore Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Remind me of styer's triangular sight. Not really the same, as thiers had a triangular opening in the rear blade. folks shot them, but don't know if it was officially legal. Lastly, I was thinking that the notch and post thing was more an effort to keep out peep sights or ???. As you still have to align the front and back it might be allowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSIShapiro Posted September 6, 2008 Author Share Posted September 6, 2008 Remind me of styer's triangular sight. Not really the same, as thiers had a triangular opening in the rear blade. folks shot them, but don't know if it was officially legal. Lastly, I was thinking that the notch and post thing was more an effort to keep out peep sights or ???. As you still have to align the front and back it might be allowed? Exactly what I was thinking and why I have posed the question. I was just hoping that someone on the forum had either used these or was at a match when a call was made on someone else using them... Keep the replies coming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p99shooter Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Although they look unconventional, they seem to work by aligning a post into a notch still. Private Message forum member detonics (Robert Ray from IDPA HQ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMoore Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 I think I remember reading somewhere that they were not considered notch-post. Regardless, I think if they were a worthy alternative, and not just a gimmick, they'd be on some major competitor's gun. I've used a SIG220 with them, and I didn't find it any easier to get quick close shots than traditional sights, and they flat out sucked for precision work 10yds and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Brass Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 I had the chance to shoot them on a Glock once when a friend was evaluating them. They are not for me and I've never seen anyone at a match using them, but I don't think they would be illegal in IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 G I M M I C K Why would you want to handicap yourself shooting those sights? That is the question I would ask your friend first. The guy who made the knows squat about shooting accurately at high speed from the discussions I've had from him. He told me it is impossible to see shots faster than .65 seconds. With triangle (or other "balance on top of" sights) you don't get quick vertical feedback, as you can only focus on one point in space at a time. Over looking something that simple, is sight designer mistakes 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 The guy who made the knows squat about shooting accurately at high speed from the discussions I've had from him. He told me it is impossible to see shots faster than .65 seconds. WHAAAATTTTT?! Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Not really designed for gaming IMHO. (IDPA or USPSA). I had some on my XD45 carry gun for a while. I believe they are best suited for a self defense gun used by someone who doesn't practice a lot. Not a slam, there are probably more people in that category than those that shoot as much as the folks on this forum. My experience was they could be accurate, but at the cost of considerable time or they could be fast and do the job of stopping a BG at conversational distance. (At least with a .45 ) but at that speed I saw a lot of C hits. As I got into USPSA shooting and shot a lot more I ended up taking them off and going back to my Dawsons. Opinions will probably vary, but that was my experience with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viggen Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I personally know three guys who have switched to those sights and really regretted they had spent the money. As soon as they could afford to get some sort of "standard" sights they did so. Each had a dramatic improvement in accuracy with the "standard" type sights - Dawson's, I think. Can't see faster than .65 shot-to-shot?? Old and geezerly and I can still see faster than that - with tri-focals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Some people can't tell the difference between "I can't do it" and "It can't be done." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSIShapiro Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 Would you consider these types of sights to be in the same league as XS Big Dots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 To paraphrase Kellyn: I think everyone who is shooting against me should use them! -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Would you consider these types of sights to be in the same league as XS Big Dots? There are fans of the XS sights that can shoot fast and accurate with them. I prefer a notch and post still, like the Warren/Sevigny sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 As my crappy old eyes deteriorated I tried every kind of sight out there. Dawson, Suresight, Big Dots, fishing lure paint, flat black, fiber optic with the rod taken out..... you name it, until I found the one sight that did really work. A red dot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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