shooterbenedetto Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 I'm curious on your set up? PLEASE POST ACCORDINGLY: 38 SUPER/38SUPER COMP OR 9MM? POWDER AOL BULLET BRASS CRIMP RECOIL SPRING PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 (edited) V8 38 Super Comp 8.6 Longshot 1.25AOL Armscor brass Can't recall crimp Wolff 10lb spring 14lb hammer spring Ranier plated 124gr RN Winchester Pistol primers 168pf I'm switching to Monana Gold 121 IFP. I used them before with SP1 in this gun, and liked them. There is a lot of variation in the Ranier's and I think I was getting occassional keyholeing with a tight crimp. It went away after loosening the crimp, but I still liked the MG better. Henning's load info: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...114&hl=7625 Edited July 14, 2008 by Jeff686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Oh, by the way, it's Tanfoglio, not Tangfolio Tan-Fog-lee-O If you own one, you gotta say it right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 BTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoHallak Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) If you get 121 IFPS to run reliable in a Tanfoglio you will be one of the few. They are not reliable in any of mine.. The V12 takes a little more powder then the V8.. for my V8 I like 7625 7.4 Gr - 1.240 OAL - Any super comp brass is fine, most of the time I use Armscor without a problem. for the V12 it takes a little more.. just test... I have also tried a lot of N350 and it takes about 8.3 in the V8 and 8.5 in the V12 not a lot of difference. N350 seems a little more harsh, but its mostly its the V12, its a little louder and seems more violent for a 2nd shot. Leo Edited July 15, 2008 by LeoHallak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 I have tried IMR 7625 on the V12 at 7.5g and seems violent to me. I have tamed it down a bit by cutting 2 coils on a 10lbs spring. I will try loading 8.0g and see what happens. IF I like it, I will put on the 12lbs spring also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) If you get 121 IFPS to run reliable in a Tanfoglio you will be one of the few. They are not reliable in any of mine..Leo Um... now you've got me a little spooked. I started with 1k of the IPFs and SP2. When I ran out, I ran through 2500 of the Ranier. Never had any feeding problems. Oh, well, I guess I'll find out soon enough. I've got a box of 3800 in the garage, just opened this weekend. What kind of problems did you have? Edited July 15, 2008 by Jeff686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 IMR 7625 at 7.5 with 10lbs spring is FLAWLESS!! I just want the gun to kick back instead of flipping up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Grip it. Seriously...search for Matt Burkett's "timing drills". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 IMR 7625 at 7.5 with 10lbs spring is FLAWLESS!! I just want the gun to kick back instead offlipping up! I was flinging 7625 out of the shells as my SDB auto-indexed. I don't remember how much I was using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Not that I have compared them but the V12 is a shorter slide gun. One could postulate that the shorter gun might be more violent than the V8 which is longer, similar to what you see in shorty S_I Open guns. Just a thought. I am going to be comparing 7625, N350, and 3N38 this weekend. I'll let you know what I come up with although mine has a custom comp and ports so I doubt anyone will be able to rely on this for stock V8s or V12s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted July 16, 2008 Author Share Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) Just came back from the range. IMR 7625 7.5g with 10.0recoil spring cut 2 coils (dot seems softer and fast enough for a second shot recovery/ shorter dot up and down but wiggles around) N350 8.5g with 10.0 recoil spring cut 2 coils dot seems to be faster on dot recovery/ longer dot up and down 12.0lbs recoil spring IMR 7625 7.5(dot flips medium but wiggles around to the left ) N350 8.5g ( dot goes up and down in a VERY STRAIGHT LINE!! AND ITS A LONG LINE! don't like it??) WINNER!! IMR 7625 WITH 10.0 SPRING CUT 2 COILS NEXT IS ACCURACY!! both loads were crimped at .377 to.378 group at 25m with 3 shots is horrible at 3.5 in? STANDING! maybe its me? I'm using montana gold round nose 124g I heard that crimp is very critical on the V12 or V8. Need to crimp to just hold the bullet. a brand new brass with out resizing measures at .380 I'll try to crimp at .380 and .379 and see how it groups. I'll keep everyone posted. Edited July 16, 2008 by shooterbenedetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 For accuracy I test at least from sandbags to take out shooter.....ahhhh... variance. You might also compare accuracy between powders as it can vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) Back from the range. Now remember this is a V6 with Hennings's Ti comp so..... your results may vary. Temp 103 Wind 0 Humidity 23% All rounds 1.22 OAL shooting 124 CMJ .355 MG projectiles Starline Supercomp brass fired a couple of times previously. 10 pound recoil spring. 7.56 IMR 7625 170.97 Recoil had a sharp initial impulse and then pretty good. Dot ran about 3/4 up the glass with a little wiggle on the way up. 8.19 N350 171.89 Recoil was pretty similar to 7625 without the initial sharp impulse. Dot went straight up and down. About 3/4 the way up the glass. 9.24 3N38 162.30 Sweet load but obviously not quite making Major yet. Dot went straight up and down with about 1/2 the dot movement of the other two and noticeably softer. Very accurate at about 1/2" at 18 yards resting my arms on a table. Edited July 20, 2008 by Neomet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted July 20, 2008 Author Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) Accuracy test was definitely on the crimp. Old crimp was .377 to .378 and group was 2.5 inch at 25yrds.(sandbag) new crimp is now .380 and group is now .75 to .50 inch.(sandbag) a BRAND NEW BRASS MEASURES .381 ( reference) TESTED n350 vs IMR and it looks like IMR will take less .40 compared to N350 ex: N350 is 8.4g for 168pf IMR is 8.0 for 168pf NEW LOAD 165PF TO 166PF IS IMR 7.7/7.8g on V12 chrono at avg.1338fps N350 165pf to 166 is 8.0g/8.1g chrono at 1346fps Edited July 20, 2008 by shooterbenedetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 NEW LOAD 165PF TO 166PF IS IMR 7.7/7.8g on V12chrono at avg.1338fps N350 165pf to 166 is 8.0g/8.1g chrono at 1346fps That's asking to go minor at the next big match that you shoot really well at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) NEW LOAD 165PF TO 166PF IS IMR 7.7/7.8g on V12chrono at avg.1338fps N350 165pf to 166 is 8.0g/8.1g chrono at 1346fps That's asking to go minor at the next big match that you shoot really well at ...but it shoots really soft flat. Edited July 20, 2008 by HoMiE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Awwww.... show some cajones... 166 will be fine. Oh yeah by the way I'm a girly-man who isn't comfortable till I hit 170 and my slowest round makes major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted July 20, 2008 Author Share Posted July 20, 2008 GUYS 166 TO 167PF is something I picked up from Grauffel's class. I remember him saying" 171pf is way too much punch on my hand!" He suggest to just shoot with heavier bullets in practice and 167pf to big match. IT NEVER FAILS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Well, if anyone has big cajones, it's Eric. :bow: If I remember correctly he posted his load preference on his website, at least for his V8. I haven't looked there in a bit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Okay, so its 2:30 and I can't sleep. What else is there to do but scan the web? This is Erics preference for his V8: Ammo lenght: 31,5mm Brass: Armscor Rimless Bullet: 124 Armscor jacketed for match, 148 grains RN Frontier for training Primer: CCI Small Pistol 500 Powder: Vectan SP2 10 grains for match ammos, and 7.5 grains for training ammos For the V12 he uses 10.2 of the SP2 to get around 167. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 You also have to take into consideration that here in Europe we shoot under IPSC rules were the major PF starts at 160, and NOT 165 you have in USPSA! So Mr Grauffels load of 166-167 have an ok margin of safety. But with a 165PF you should probably get it up to 170-175. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooterbenedetto Posted July 20, 2008 Author Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) Oh yeah! I forgot about that. IPSC minimum power factor 160 USPSA minimum power factor 165 in open division. Every year Eric shoots in Florida open and shoots the 167pf. Edited July 20, 2008 by shooterbenedetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) If that's all you do is shoot, and have time to chrono each batch ammo in the same weather as the match, maybe you can run 167pf. I thought I had at least 170pf, but chrono'd at Area 1 at 165.3. Luckily, I had a change of underware with me. Edited July 23, 2008 by Jeff686 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Elliott Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I wouldn't risk going to any away matches without a 170+ pf. Too many variables to consider to make it worth while risking minor. Altitude, humidity, barometer, powder lots, brass lots, sun spots, bad hair day.... Better to play it safe and be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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