Brian Gonsalves Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Hi Everyone, I’m new at this revolver thing. I shoot USPSA, IDPA and Bullseye all with those guns that feed from the bottom. I recently acquired a 627 V-Comp, and plan to shoot in ICORE Open division. I plan to run a C-more (just waiting for the mount). I’ve got Starline short & long colt brass and the dies, HearthCo moonclips. I’m planning on using a Ghost holster & CR Speed belt (that’s what I use for USPSA Open and Limited). I’ve got Jerry’s DVD and I’ve already cut down the hammer! So a few newbie questions: Spring kit, who’s should I use? Moonclip holders, most seem very happy with the North Mountain holder. The question I have, if I later get a 625 to shoot USPSA revolver will the 625 moonclips fit as well? Having the Ghost holster will allow one rig for two guns, just wondering about the moonclip holders. Should a Revolver Newbie shoot the IRC? I love the Morro Bay area, I’ve shoot quite a few other matches there. I plan to shoot the Southwestern Regional in Richmond a few weeks before. Thank you in advance for your thoughts! This revolver thing is taking over! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Welcome. First, shoot the IRC. It is a great match and there are people of all skill levels there. You will see shooters like John Bagakis and Mike Carmoney all the way down to the Surgi brothers. I'm sure you are somewhere in between. You will have a good shot at winning a gun too. Second, the North Mountain moonclip holder will work with all the N frame moons, 45, 10mm, and 38 super and special. Get one, there is no substitute. Tell Bob El Conquistador sent ya. As far as springs go, I think the wolff are the most popular replacements. That being said; the premire revosmiths, ie. Randy Lee and Mike Carmoney, use the factory springs and bend them. Maybe Mike will post some picts of his worked over springs. Just get out and shoot, Cliff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) Ok here goes: Hi Everyone, I’m new at this revolver thing. I shoot USPSA, IDPA and Bullseye all with those guns that feed from the bottom. I recently acquired a 627 V-Comp, and plan to shoot in ICORE Open division. I plan to run a C-more (just waiting for the mount). I’ve got Starline short & long colt brass and the dies, HearthCo moonclips. I’m planning on using a Ghost holster & CR Speed belt (that’s what I use for USPSA Open and Limited). I’ve got Jerry’s DVD and I’ve already cut down the hammer! So a few newbie questions: Spring kit, who’s should I use? I would use the factory for now and bend or tweak the spring to your liking. Moonclip holders, most seem very happy with the North Mountain holder. The question I have, if I later get a 625 to shoot USPSA revolver will the 625 moonclips fit as well? Having the Ghost holster will allow one rig for two guns, just wondering about the moonclip holders. I am not sure but I think it would depend on your moonclips as they have differrent center deminsions, but they were made first for the 45 moonclips. Should a Revolver Newbie shoot the IRC? I love the Morro Bay area, I’ve shoot quite a few other matches there. I plan to shoot the Southwestern Regional in Richmond a few weeks before. Hell yea. Cya in Morrow Bay. later rdd Thank you in advance for your thoughts! This revolver thing is taking over! Edited to make it easier read. Edited February 6, 2008 by Bubber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I'd recommend not bothering with spring kits. You can set up a very light and smooth action by modifying the factory springs. I usually reduce the length of the strain screw a little, then bend the mainspring to the correct tension, and reduce the length of the rebound spring to make the trigger pull as light as possible while still giving reliable ignition and snappy rebound. Remember, the tension on both springs must be properly balanced to each other for the action to feel right. Second, the IRC is a blast, and even a revolver newbie would enjoy the hell out of it. I'd highly recommend attending the IRC if you possibly can. If you don't have an ICORE class, go a day early and shoot the classifier match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Oh yeah, almost forgot: The North Mountain Moonclip Holder will work perfectly with .45 and .38/.357 moonclips without any alteration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Welcome.First, shoot the IRC. It is a great match and there are people of all skill levels there. You will see shooters like John Bagakis and Mike Carmoney all the way down to the Surgi brothers. I'm sure you are somewhere in between. You will have a good shot at winning a gun too. Second, the North Mountain moonclip holder will work with all the N frame moons, 45, 10mm, and 38 super and special. Get one, there is no substitute. Tell Bob El Conquistador sent ya. As far as springs go, I think the wolff are the most popular replacements. That being said; the premire revosmiths, ie. Randy Lee and Mike Carmoney, use the factory springs and bend them. Maybe Mike will post some picts of his worked over springs. Just get out and shoot, Cliff The North Mountain moonclip holder I have won't work with the moonclips I have for a M29. And I think the 627 moonclips are smaller still. Unless Bob has reduced the diameter of the posts now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 The North Mountain moonclip holder I have won't work with the moonclips I have for a M29. And I think the 627 moonclips are smaller still.Unless Bob has reduced the diameter of the posts now? Mine runs the 627 clips, don't have any 29's. I would guess the bigger bullets leave less room in the center??? Just have to be different, huh Dave.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Brian, watch out for this crowd. They know what they are talking about, will share what they know, are generous to a fault and are pretty damn fun to hang out with (in their own, quirky revo kind of way). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 HI Brian, If you're close to the Richmond range they try to do a dedicated ICORE practice once a month with a classifer to send in to ICORE. They will be more frequent practice sessions as the IRC draws near. If you can make it you'll be shooting with John Bagakis and Dan Carden, two of the best ICORE limited and USPSA revo guys out there plus Rich Wolf, and Rich Kester who are top ten IRC finishers in open. Check the Richmond Hotshots calander for dates. Looks like there an ICORE match on the 28th of this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underlug Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 (edited) Welcome.First, shoot the IRC. It is a great match and there are people of all skill levels there. You will see shooters like John Bagakis and Mike Carmoney all the way down to the Surgi brothers. I'm sure you are somewhere in between. You will have a good shot at winning a gun too. Second, the North Mountain moonclip holder will work with all the N frame moons, 45, 10mm, and 38 super and special. Get one, there is no substitute. Tell Bob El Conquistador sent ya. As far as springs go, I think the wolff are the most popular replacements. That being said; the premire revosmiths, ie. Randy Lee and Mike Carmoney, use the factory springs and bend them. Maybe Mike will post some picts of his worked over springs. Just get out and shoot, Cliff The North Mountain moonclip holder I have won't work with the moonclips I have for a M29. And I think the 627 moonclips are smaller still. Unless Bob has reduced the diameter of the posts now? The North Mountain definitely runs both .45 and .38. It is the principle advantage over the competition. Also Mr. Perdue stands behind what he sells and is great to deal with. I speak from personal experience Edited February 8, 2008 by underlug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 The North Mountain moonclip holder I have won't work with the moonclips I have for a M29. And I think the 627 moonclips are smaller still.Unless Bob has reduced the diameter of the posts now? Mine runs the 627 clips, don't have any 29's. I would guess the bigger bullets leave less room in the center??? Just have to be different, huh Dave.... Very definitely, but I've since seen the light and gone the way of the .45. Though I might just use that m29 in Iowa this spring, just to be different. It's probably the cut that's made on the cylinder is a bit more aggressive for rimmed cartidges. They both fit the 1/2" wood dowels on my Moon Caddies, but Dave Surgi tried a 627 on one of my Moon Caddies and it wouldn't slip over them. So I reasoned they might also be a bit smaller than a 625/29, but I don't know that for a fact. Now Cliffy, you didn't pawn off some cheap knock off NM Clip Carrier to me at last years Sunflower did you??? Bob has already jumped right on it and offered to update my Carrier for free. Bob is definitely a stand up guy, and a hell of a competitor. Put him and Carmoney together and they can get you a table just about anywhere, anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Perdue can always get a table at a restaurant. But he uses such brute force you never know what the chefs are putting in the food..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Mu North Mountain Moonclip Holder works with my 627 38 Super, 627 38/357, 610 and 625. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odie Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Just used my North Mountain this past weekend. I like it. It just needs a driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I think the North Mountain style Clip holders work best if you reload "Jerry style". If you reload "that other way", I'd go with California Competition Clip Holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Gonsalves Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 I think the North Mountain style Clip holders work best if you reload "Jerry style". If you reload "that other way", I'd go with California Competition Clip Holders. The good and/or bad news is, I don't have a way! Since I just sent Bob an email to order the North Mountain style, I better learn the "Jerry style"! Can you guys enlighten me to which style is best? Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffwalsh Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I think the North Mountain style Clip holders work best if you reload "Jerry style". If you reload "that other way", I'd go with California Competition Clip Holders. Not Accurate. (You post not your shooting). The North Mountain can be located anywhere on the belt. It works with either style of loading. Mike uses it to load off handed ( he has no weak hand) with great results. Use the North Mountain and load whichever way is faster for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underlug Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Mu North Mountain Moonclip Holder works with my 627 38 Super, 627 38/357, 610 and 625. Mine also helps me pick up women in bars, but, that is definitely a weak hand only proposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Mu North Mountain Moonclip Holder works with my 627 38 Super, 627 38/357, 610 and 625. Mine also helps me pick up women in bars, but, that is definitely a weak hand only proposition Are you by any chance using the 2-post "Perdue Vibraluxe" model with the battery belt pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revopop Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Mu North Mountain Moonclip Holder works with my 627 38 Super, 627 38/357, 610 and 625. Mine also helps me pick up women in bars, but, that is definitely a weak hand only proposition Are you by any chance using the 2-post "Perdue Vibraluxe" model with the battery belt pack? AKA "The Shocker" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underlug Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Mu North Mountain Moonclip Holder works with my 627 38 Super, 627 38/357, 610 and 625. Mine also helps me pick up women in bars, but, that is definitely a weak hand only proposition Are you by any chance using the 2-post "Perdue Vibraluxe" model with the battery belt pack? Yes, and only in dimly lit bars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) I think the North Mountain style Clip holders work best if you reload "Jerry style". If you reload "that other way", I'd go with California Competition Clip Holders. Not Accurate. (You post not your shooting). The North Mountain can be located anywhere on the belt. It works with either style of loading. Mike uses it to load off handed ( he has no weak hand) with great results. Use the North Mountain and load whichever way is faster for you. Hehe, I wasn't referring to the position of the holder on the belt, but to the position of the 2nd clip on each loader. When you reload Jerry style, you use your strong hand to push the cylinder latch. From that point, the strong hand is free to get the clip from the holder. It's no problem if you have to dig a little deeper to clear the second clip from the bottom of the clip holder. Your weak hand is still opening the cylinder and clearing the old clip in the mean time. When reloading "that other way", you use your weak hand to do almost everything. Having to dig into the holder and clearing the 2nd clip over the 3" rod in the clip holder will take time. I see and estimate of .2/.3 seconds per reload, compared to just flicking a fresh clip out of a California Competition Holder. Something to consider Edited February 8, 2008 by spook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I think the North Mountain style Clip holders work best if you reload "Jerry style". If you reload "that other way", I'd go with California Competition Clip Holders. The good and/or bad news is, I don't have a way! Since I just sent Bob an email to order the North Mountain style, I better learn the "Jerry style"! Can you guys enlighten me to which style is best? Brian Brian, I would learn to reload like Jerry Miculek does. Not because you have already ordered the North Mountain Holders, but because it is a very consistent way of reloading. In the end, both ways are fine. But Jerry's way is just a tad more consistent. I still believe the other way has the most potential for speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professor Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Welcome.... the North Mountain moonclip holder will work with all the N frame moons, 45, 10mm, and 38 super and special. Get one, there is no substitute. Tell Bob El Conquistador sent ya. Cliff The North Mountain moonclip holder I have won't work with the moonclips I have for a M29. And I think the 627 moonclips are smaller still. Unless Bob has reduced the diameter of the posts now? Bob fixed me up with a set of smaller diameter posts to fit the smaller diameter holes in the 38Spl/357 moonclips I had for my Mod 686. These posts were also longer to accommodate stacking two moonclips loaded with longer 38Spl and 357 shells. I could probably put Mod 625 moonclips on my posts, but they would be a bit looser on the smaller diameter posts than on a post specifically made for the 45ACP moonclip diameter. The clearance between the base of the post and the belt side of the holder is also matched to the outside diameter of a loaded moonclip. I don't know as an 8-shot moonclip would fit on mine, even if the post diameter was acceptable. Talk to Bob. He'll set you up with what's needed for your gun(s). Edited February 8, 2008 by professor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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