hitman_usmc Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I've been loading .45 with clays for a while and now want to start loading .40 for my new SV. I've been reading a lot on this subject and i'm way too chicken now to try Clays for .40. It seems most people use titegroup, but i've heard complaints about it with precision bullets which is what i'm going to use. I have seen a few people mention that they use Universal Clays. I'd like to hear more about why they think it's better. I'm planning on loading out to 1.200 with the precision 185's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) Lots & Lots of good info on this website. I think Phil Terry uses (at least used to use) Universal Clays for his .40 loads... Might PM him. And...I use Precision Black bullets and TG..love em. Start around 4.0-4.1 and work up to about 170 PF at 1.18 - 1.20. Great combo! Edited January 6, 2007 by Merlin Orr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Provan Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Is your SV a Sighttracker with an AET barrel? If so you need to use jacked bullets. Load to 5.1 gr. of Titegroup with a 1.220 OAL and I use a tight crimp of .417. I make 170 pf all the time and with an 11# recoil spring it is very soft and back on target fast. Semper Fi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman_usmc Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) Carl, my SV has a standard slide and non-aet barrel. Semper Fi brother Merlin, thanks for the link. Edited January 6, 2007 by hitman_usmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Provan Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Modify the load down on the charge to 4.9 to 4.8 but keep the longer length. I like the way a limited gun feels with the longer load length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newshooter Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Lots & Lots of good info on this website. I think Phil Terry uses (at least used to use) Universal Clays for his .40 loads... Might PM him.And...I use Precision Black bullets and TG..love em. Start around 4.0-4.1 and work up to about 170 PF at 1.18 - 1.20. Great combo! Hello merlin i have another question for you haha. I was wondering what kinda of smoke you get from the precision "black"bullets using titegroup. i have read some where that you get some smoke when using black bullets is it true? only reason i ask is because most or the shooting that is done down here is indoors every tuesday and only out doors once a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adiksaputok Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 my previous load for my sti universal clay 5.3 180 jacketed zero 40sw OAL 1200-1205 171 power factor NOW both sti and para UC. 5.0 40S&W JHP 180gr OAL- 1175-1180 UNIVERSAL C. SHOOTS REALLY SOFT ON MY STI. MY SHOOTING BUDDIES LIKE IT TOO BUT THE ONLY COMPLAIN THEY HAVE IS THAT THE SLIDE IS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER COMPARING TO CALYS OR TITEGROUP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman_usmc Posted January 6, 2007 Author Share Posted January 6, 2007 Thanks for the info adiksaputok. I just read some of the info off the link merlin and carl gave me and saw that using small rifle primers is actually safer than using small pistol primers. Is this really true? Are there any draw backs from using small rifle primers instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 dude, you're starting to thread drift but i'll join you. SRP will alleviate seared, flat or pierced primer problems when running slightly hotter loads compared to SPP. you put a order in for SPP didn't you? oh well. SPP still works. I was running federal SPP for a bit. i'll be running SRP for any loads that call for a SPP just to get rid of the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket35 Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I shoot Universal Clays in the .40 loads for my STI Edge. I am using 180gr Masterblasters bullets and they recommend a slower powder for their moly coated design. They cost less than Precision bullets and the Universal seems to burn cleaner than the Titegroup. I have settled in to a load of 5.1gr. The OAL is 1.180" due to the grease ring still present in Masterblaster's bullet design. Precision bullets don't have that grease ring so I could see loading them out to 1.200". I found that at that length the case mouth was right at the edge of the grease ring of the Masterblasters bullet, and decided to back down for consistancy in the load. Power Factor averages 168 with my chrono. Semper Fi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 TG does smoke with lead - even Precision Black bullets.... It MIGHT be something that would bother you indoors. I think some people are a lot more easlily bothered than I.... YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket35 Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 TG does smoke with lead - even Precision Black bullets.... It MIGHT be something that would bother you indoors. I think some people are a lot more easlily bothered than I.... YMMV. Or when the sun is low in the sky, through barrels etc....Trying to get a good sight picture through all that smoke is a real pain during a match! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitman_usmc Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 Rocket, I finally got my .40 bullets in and finished setting up the dies. I'm able to get masterblasters loaded out to 1.225.'' Why is it that you said you can only get it to 1.180? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 (edited) You have to check them in your chamber, loaded that long I have doubts. Edited January 11, 2007 by North Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket35 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Rocket, I finally got my .40 bullets in and finished setting up the dies. I'm able to get masterblasters loaded out to 1.225.'' Why is it that you said you can only get it to 1.180? I have settled in to a load of 5.1gr. The OAL is 1.180" due to the grease ring still present in Masterblaster's bullet design. Precision bullets don't have that grease ring so I could see loading them out to 1.200". I found that at that length the case mouth was right at the edge of the grease ring of the Masterblasters bullet, and decided to back down for consistancy in the load. Power Factor averages 168 with my chrono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 there is no need to load those bullets any longer thatn 1.180 also, rifle primers are not needed. Federal 200s or Win Small Pistol are all you need. I didnt find that titegroup smoked any more than universal clays in my gun, just be careful not to shave any of the moly coating off the bullets when your loading them. Harmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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