Mr. Chitlin Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 (edited) I December 18th, I ordered a 1050 set up in 223. It arrived on Dec 22, but due to time constraints, I didn't start setting it up until this week. After assembly, I started the setup process by running 1 case at a time through it just to see how everything operates and make sure everything is running smoothly. (I have owned a 650 for 6 years, so I am familiar with the progressive press operation). All went smooth. Next step was to make sure the swaging was right, the main reason that I bought the 1050 for. Adjusted and good to go. I put 10 primers in the priming tube and was going to run them 10 at a time until I saw that everything was good on this stage. About 6 of the 10 primers don't make it into the primer slide. The slide moves forward empty, and when it returns to the rear, a primer drops out the bottom and onto the bench. Also, one or 2 times during each 10 primer priming session, the groove on part number 20488 hangs up on the stud on part number 11688 -Toolhead Ratchet. I have to reach around and line it back up with the groove so that the machine handle will return to the up position. I have spent several hours doing this 10 primer routine and still have the problem. It only seems to do this when there are primers in the machine. I don't remember it hanging up when I was operating it without primers. I called the tech support today (Saturday 12-30) and talked to Eric, I believe. I explained the primer issue to him and was told that I need to remove 13955 - Lower Plate Screw and add a shim under 13108 - Primer Slide Stop "B" to allow the primer plate to travel further to the rear. When I removed the screw, there was less than 1 thread holding it in place. 1/4 turn with the allen wrench was all that it took to take it out. When I told Eric this, he said that there was a helical insert on the back of the lower tool head and that it was probably inserted too far in at the factory. He said that he took his apart and that about 6 threads were holding it in. His suggestion was to buy a longer bolt and see if this would take care of the problem. When I first started priming, the bolt on the ratchet assembly was loose and the entire assembly slid up on the primer feed body. My issue here is that I have bought a $1500 machine and the tech help I am getting is to buy a bigger bolt to fix a possible factory problem. We didn't even get to the issue of the ratchet hanging up. I need help. If I have a lower toolhead problem, we need to decide how this needs to be resolved. I hate to have to take it apart and send it in, but if that is what it takes, that's what we need to do. Any suggestions?? I wish this could have been taken care of the phone but it appeared that Eric was ready for his long weekend, and I'm not a happy camper with a $1500 machine that isn't working. If you'd like to talk on the phone, give me a contact and I'll call you. Thanks for any help. ADDED 12-31: I have tried to figure out of there is anything that I might be missing. The one thing that I was doing was swaging military brass. I wondered if that might be a problem. Today, I put 30 primers in the tube and used 30 pieces of once fired R-P 223 brass. Of the 30, 17 did not prime, so that eliminates that thought. Also, the lower plate screw on the back of the primer slide stop came out and does not have enough thread to catch. I did insert a longer screw to no avail. Other than this priming issue, every thing else is set up and ready to go. Edited December 31, 2006 by Mr. Chitlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 How long is the threaded shank on the bolt? the factory bolt has a one inch shank, and there is enough depth for a 1 1/4" long bolt. Is the helicoil insert in the hole in the frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chitlin Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) The factory bolt is 1" long. There is about 6 or 7 threads below the shaft of the primer slide stop. The insert is set into the frame about 1/2". Since I am not at home, I am going by memory. I'll be home after about 5PM Central time and will measure the exact distance the helicoil is inset. Edited January 2, 2007 by Mr. Chitlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chitlin Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 I measured the stud where it sticks out of the primer slide stop. It measures .285" The helicoil is inside the threaded frame, and it measures .26 to the edge of the helicoil, the threads start a little further in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I just checked several frames, and all had the helicoil installed as you described. a 1" long bolt should engage the helicoil just fine. There is enough depth to the hole for a 1 1/4" bolt. Has the helicoil pulled out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chitlin Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) ... Edited January 5, 2007 by Mr. Chitlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Merlin Orr Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 With all due respect...Please. I have seen this rant more than once on this very forum. It seems to usually turn out to be "whoops, I understand now" rather that the equipment is not any good. The problems I have had with the ratchet thingie usually are from the apparatus that clamps on the side of the primer tube and activates the primer slide being a touch lower than it should be or turned to the right or outward at the rear a little more than it should be. If you will take the inner tube out of the primer assembly and shine a light around at the bottom of the tube and look down through the top of the big primer tube without the inner tube installed you can see if the primers are dropping "clear" into the slide when it is at its far rearward position. On mine the circular metal stop has to hit the rear metal part of the primer slide - not the piece of rubber tube - to get the primers to fall cleanly into the primer slide hole. When/if you do this and make sure the metal arm that actuates the slide moves freely through it's entire range of motion... You should be adjusted properly and home free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chitlin Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) ... Edited January 5, 2007 by Mr. Chitlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mobocracy Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 No offense intended at all, but have you tried calling Dillon and immeditely asking if you can speak to a supervisor? Explain to the person who answers you have no gripe with them personally, but you've called a number of times and haven't gotten satisfaction, and you would like to speak with someone with more "pull". When you get to that person, DON'T explain your 1050 problem to them -- explain your CUSTOMER SERVICE problem to them. Tell them you have a problem that you haven't felt was troubleshooted or resolved properly despite numerous attempts by you to "work with the system" and you would like to speak with a more senior person who can work with you until your problem is SOLVED. If this doesn't work, you can either climb the ladder further (write a paper letter and mail it to Dillon detailing your problems and frustrations, etc) or just return the machine and live with your 650 and the Super Swager. This isn't the official Dillon Precision Reloading Forum -- it's a small part of Brian Enos forum, Brian happens to sell Dillon equipment and lucky for us, Dillon employees chime in once in a while presumably on their own time and of their own initiative, because they like Dillon products and want to help. Complaining that Dillon isn't answering your questions here isn't solving any problems or getting Dillon's attention in any constructive way. You need to direct your energy towards DILLON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 With all due respect...Please. I have seen this rant more than once on this very forum. It seems to usually turn out to be "whoops, I understand now" rather that the equipment is not any good. +1 I had no luck with Dillon personnel on my 1050 woes, but I called a few benoversers/friends/acquaintences/strangers and worked it out. Pilot error. My only glitch on the 1050 with no resolution is the case feeder hangs up alot, and does not feed into the shell plate. Methinks I heard somewheres that you need to trim the spring as it still binds, even with the anti-binder. Still no validation on that. The "kerchunk" release out of the sizer die bugs me and there is supposedly a bushing tighten thingie on the crank that alleviates it...dunno. I almost took a sledgehammer to it, but calmed down enough to work it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Mr Chitlin, If at all possible, phone us when you can be in front of the loader. Lots of people here are quite capable of helping you. If all else fails, I will have the machine picked up and swap it out. The Super 1050 is a mechanical device built by humans. We can make it work, and probably without too much time over the phone, but it is difficult to do in-depth customer support on a forum. Ask for Gary Kieft, Tim Vaughn, or Bill Lawson in repairs. Any of us should be able to provide technical support to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chitlin Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) Thank you very much!! I'd sure like to get this thing up and running. Phone call incoming. ETA: Issues being taken care of. Dillon stayed about 45 minutes after quitting time working with me. Thank you very much for the help. Edited January 5, 2007 by Mr. Chitlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Thank you very much!!I'd sure like to get this thing up and running. Phone call incoming. ETA: Issues being taken care of. Dillon stayed about 45 minutes after quitting time working with me. Thank you very much for the help. So what'de it end up being the problem?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipscbob Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I and many others have had the same identical problem with the ratchet assembly hanging up due to the adjustment backing out. Everyone I know who I talked to about this, said that they had disabled the ratchet assembly soon after getting their 1050. How come this has never been adressed by Dillon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I and many others have had the same identical problem with the ratchet assembly hanging up due to the adjustment backing out. Everyone I know who I talked to about this, said that they had disabled the ratchet assembly soon after getting their 1050. How come this has never been adressed by Dillon? Edit: never mind: Toolhead Ratchet, Do I need that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chitlin Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 Thank you very much!!I'd sure like to get this thing up and running. Phone call incoming. ETA: Issues being taken care of. Dillon stayed about 45 minutes after quitting time working with me. Thank you very much for the help. So what'de it end up being the problem?? I don't know, I sent it in for repair, and it was back in about a week. Whatever they did, it has ran probably 10K or more without a single problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flutedchamber Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I know this is an old topic, but I wonder if anyone ever took the time to notice if, after changing shell plates, that the primer actuator arm is moving parallel to the primer slide? The clamp on the primer shield tube can be turned about 10 degrees right or left of center, and both directions off of center cause primer feed problems. This, in my opinion, is a poor design on the part of Dillon. The clamp block on the primer shield tube should have a locating nub so that it will only go back correctly oriented. No mention of watching for this problem is mentioned in my RL or Super 1050 operators manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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