1911vm Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 Is Para 9 mm double stack LDA legal in SSP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 If it makes the weight limit it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 As far as I know, the last rule change killed the LDA due to weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 26, 2006 Author Share Posted December 26, 2006 if weight is not a problem? are their any other problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I can't think of any unless you have made any prohibited modifications and it fits in the box. Keep in mind that the weights that Para list on their site are without magazine and IDPA weights are with magazine, this usually adds 2.5 - 3.5 oz. Weight limit for SSP is 39 oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COF Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Para's new Tac-Five 9 mm weighs in at 37.5 oz. Not sure what a 10 round mag weighs but it should make it. I've been looking for one but haven't seen one yet. The LDA's have intrigued me for a long time - might have to come up with one just for grins. I think Para's weight includes an empty mag. If it does, that Tac-5 would be the ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 A few months ago I weighed a Para P18 - basically the LDA 9mm but in single action. I would expect the weights betwen the P18 and LDA 9 to be very, very close. I'll have to look up the actual weight, but staring back into dim memory it was in the low 40s, thus I would not expect the LDA 9m to be legal for SSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COF Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Duane, they list all of the full sized LDA's at 40 oz EXCEPT the new Tac-5. Not sure what they did to cut 2.5 oz but I'd like to see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Looks like the Tac-5 has a shorten frame with a magwell and short guide rod. The short guide rod is probably majority of the weight savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 Looks like the Tac-5 has a shorten frame with a magwell and short guide rod. The short guide rod is probably majority of the weight savings. but that is the weight without mag, is in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COF Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 I emailed Para a while back to ask and it seemed like they said the weight was with the mag in the gun, but I can't find the email to verify. I tried calling them but they're closed down until after the 1st. I just checked their website and they list the P14-45 at 40 Oz. I wighed mine with a standard 14-round mag and it weighed 41.3 oz, so maybe their weights are without a mag. If they are then the mag only added 1.3 oz which would still put the Tac-5 in at 38.8 with a mag. Hmmmm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Checked my records, according to ye olde postal scale the P18 came in at 41.6 ounces with empty mag in place - for what that's worth. IOW it's okay for ESP but not SSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 so I am comfused is tak-five with one empty mag corect weight or is it not for IDPA, SSP ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COF Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Okay, we're talking apples and oranges. Para lists the P18 at 40 oz and it has adjustable sights and a spur hammer. The Tac-5 lists at 37.5 oz and has fixed sights and a spurless hammer. Is that enough to shed 2.5 oz? I don't know but I do know that it should make the weight particularly if you use the 10-round mags. If it makes the weight, it's good to go. End of discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Geez, you guys are really going to make me get a Tac-5 article sample piece and throw it on a postal scale, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Geez, you guys are really going to make me get a Tac-5 article sample piece and throw it on a postal scale, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I'll call Para tomorrow. You guys.... I haven't even gotten that Todd Jarrett/USPSA Limited Edition .45 back to them yet, and here I am already asking for something else. It's a hard life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Geez, you guys are really going to make me get a Tac-5 article sample piece and throw it on a postal scale, aren't you? Yes please get one and settle this. Since your P18 was advertised at 40oz but actually came in at 41.6oz, I guess you'll just have to buy one to find out. I think someone said the high cap mags weigh less than the 10 rounders but just buy both to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 I guess you'll just have to buy one to find out. "Buy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COF Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) Duane, If you're tied up, you could always have them send it to me in St Louis. I'd even be willing to take a couple vacation days to really put it through some tests... We even have a postal scale at work I could weigh it on Jerry Edited January 3, 2007 by COF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The word from Para... Dear Chuck: We acknowledge receipt of your e-mail and take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in Para-Ordnance products. All of our pistols weights include one magazine empty. Sincerely, Caroline Crawford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster cogburn Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I just got finished weighing my guns and my p18-9 weighs 42 and one quarter oz. my p16-40 weighs 40 and one half oz. That is with an empty mag in the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwp Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 The weight varies a little from pistol to pistol, but I've not found a 5-inch barrel model that gets down to 39 ounces or less. The 4.25-inch models make it with weight to spare. -- jwp ------------------------- John Pierce jwpretd@satx.rr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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