dsb45acp Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Since I work nights and can't sleep, I'm up doing two of my favorite things: surfing BE and thinking about guns. I did a search and couldn't find an answer to my question tonight. What are the advantages/disadvantages of using a Koeing hammer vs any of the other systems out there (ie Brazos, EGW, Extreme Engineering, etc.) Thanks in advance for all the answers and knowledge that I always get here and Merry Christmas to all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEDELLCUSTOM Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 I don't think there would be any disadvantages to the Koenig hammer. the advantages are the quality of the hammer itself and the weight, lower weight equates to quicker locktime. the hooks are always cut clean and square and the proper height which helps to achieve a crisp,clean light pull in a properly tuned action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Mine feels fine ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 I am really becoming a fan of the Extreme Engineering parts. Several sets so far have been oustanding with little or no tweaking whatsoever. The Koenig hammer is probably a hair lighter than my new favorite. The only downside I could think of is that it isn't always easy to find them in stock and you might have to call a couple places to find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 Remember that the sear is just as important as the hammer that it engages. I like the Extreme Engineering Ultra Lite hammers and EGW hard sears. The EE comp sear is also great but the EGW is a bit harder for utmost reliability and long life. The DK hammers are well made and precise and also probably the lightest on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 the hooks are always cut clean and square and the proper height I did a trigger job on a S&W PC 1911 Koenig edition. The hammer hooks were not square and the depth was very shallow (.014"). I've never cut the hooks below 0.018". Are you guys cutting the hooks this shallow? Also, the sear to hammer engagement was sloppy. After squaring up the hooks and cutting the primary angle on the sear to be perfectly parallel with the hooks and adding a little more tension to the sear leaf on the sear spring, his hammer follow disappeared. I was very surprised to find this. In fact, I thought that someone else had worked on the gun and messed it up. He told me I was the first to work on the gun. I've always heard good things about the Koenig hammer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 (edited) I have a gun with the Extreme hammer & one with the DK hammer. Neither gunsmith that fit them complained to me. Now the sear is a differnent story............... Edited December 24, 2006 by warpspeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimBoettcher Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 the hooks are always cut clean and square and the proper height I did a trigger job on a S&W PC 1911 Koenig edition. The hammer hooks were not square and the depth was very shallow (.014"). I've never cut the hooks below 0.018". Are you guys cutting the hooks this shallow? Also, the sear to hammer engagement was sloppy. After squaring up the hooks and cutting the primary angle on the sear to be perfectly parallel with the hooks and adding a little more tension to the sear leaf on the sear spring, his hammer follow disappeared. I was very surprised to find this. In fact, I thought that someone else had worked on the gun and messed it up. He told me I was the first to work on the gun. I've always heard good things about the Koenig hammer though. My Open gun and Steel gun both have a Koenig hammer. I bought them about a year apart and from two different sources. Both hammers are identical in size, both have the hammer hooks at .021". What method of measuring did you use to come up with the .014"? My Open gun has a 1.00 lbs. trigger and my Steel gun has a sub 1 lbs. trigger. I would say that each gun has approx. 30,000 rounds through that trigger job, with the Koenig hammer. I have never seen a "Bad" Koenig hammer, not to say that their isn't, maybe someone messed with it like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 What method of measuring did you use to come up with the .014"?maybe someone messed with it like you said. I used a feeler gauge to measure the hooks and a 25X microscope to visually inspect everything else. N=1 doesn't make a scientific study. I'm just posting my observations. Perhaps someone messed with it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDRODA396 Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 (edited) I just picked up a Dawson Super Group, includes the DK Hammer. I cant wait to get it installed. By the way, the kit includes a DK Low Mass Hammer, Cylinder and Slide Ultra-light/low mass sear and Ultra-match disconnector and Dawson sear spring and 17# main spring. Anyone know what kind of trigger pull I can expect with a straight install of the Dawson kit? Edited December 26, 2006 by CDRODA396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 Even the best manufacturers have something bad slip through... CSEMARTIN - you say that the guy's hammer follow disappeared? Was the hammer already in the gun, and he was having problems that you rectified, or was this a new hammer?? If new, George Smith would probably have liked to see that hammer. If already in the gun, there's no clue what was done to the hammer before you got ahold of it... I have EE parts in my race gun. I know a lot of folks w/ the Koenig hammer. Both seem to be quite nice, and capable of superb trigger jobs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 Either the Brazos pre-tuned hammer sear or Koenig hammer plus EGW sear. The Koenig / EGW setup is pretty much becoming the defacto IPSC pistol setup anymore. There's no shortage of happy customers it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSEMARTIN Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 (edited) Even the best manufacturers have something bad slip through... CSEMARTIN - you say that the guy's hammer follow disappeared? Was the hammer already in the gun, and he was having problems that you rectified, or was this a new hammer?? If new, George Smith would probably have liked to see that hammer. If already in the gun, there's no clue what was done to the hammer before you got ahold of it... I have EE parts in my race gun. I know a lot of folks w/ the Koenig hammer. Both seem to be quite nice, and capable of superb trigger jobs... XRe, Thanks. I will add some more details. The gun was bought new and came with a Koenig hammer. It's the Koenig edition 1911. He has been having problems with it ever since he bought it-specifically his hammer followed. When he showed up to practice night with a Glock 21, I offered to take a look at it. He blew me off for months...... Anyway, one night a couple of weeks ago, he called me up and asked me to help him out. I disassembled the gun and set up my hammer/sear pin block so I could get a better look at things. The hooks weren't square at all. The angle on the primary sear was all wrong. I cleaned everything up, put the gun back together..... At the range, no more problems. Has anyone worked on the gun? I don't know for sure. He tells me no one has. Edited December 25, 2006 by CSEMARTIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 The guy at S&W who put it together might not understand how it is suposed to work. The idiot who did the assembly of my 625 Model of 1989, was a butcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted December 25, 2006 Share Posted December 25, 2006 I've got Brazos parts and Extreme Engineering and other than the Glock that I own these are the only hammers and sears that will be in my pistols. Way too nice and fit way too well. The SV ones are nice too. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 ALOT of people are using the EE parts...cylinder and slide being one of them. Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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