BeerBaron Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 As I said in the other thread, great vid. Can I ask a bit about your current blaster? Looks like a trubor barrel/comp. is the comp modded at all or stock trubor? Any barrel holes? Slide brand? Much lightening? Is it an off the shelf sti or custom build? 9 or super? Anything else interesting about it? I'm looking at getting a new open gun now and considering a ck arms, a dvc (falling out of love with that plan), or having a local smith build one up for me based around sti frame, grip, slide and trubor barrel/comp. Any guidance much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 This is a plain Jane STI Trubor. I had swapped in an Aftec extractor but have gone back to a regular (Caspian in this case) and the drop in C&S Ultralight trigger kit. Other than that its bone stock. No lightening, no holes, no comp mods, nothing. Even the grip is factory, no shaping or stippling/grip tape. .38 super. Typically 10gr of n105 that is around 175pf in the last couple of videos I'm using some 3n37 to save my n105 for big matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Thanks Pat. I had a suspicion it might be! I believe the reason it shoots so flat is down to you as a shooter understanding how to grip it properly and drive the gun aggressively. The open gun I'm looking to have built is based of a trubor barrel/comp but bought as a blank and then the chambers machined by the smith (slightly different to the stock trubor size/shape). I am keen to have 3 small popple holes in the barrel but my smith says it's fine without them. However my preference has been for a flat shooting gun (even if a bit harder in the hand) over a softer shooting gun (that may still have some rise and fall to it). His preference is for a softer gun over flatter/harder. Maybe I should just listen to him since he knows more than I do... On the other hand by observing what top open shooters run (and exlcuding Eric G and his tanfoglio) I've come to see this as covering probably 80% of the top open shooters: 2011 of some kind 38 super (the odd 9 major in there too) 3 or 4 chamber compensator 2 or 3 popple holes upright mounted cmore mostly with plastic grips though I'm seeing a shift torwards steel/titanium grips in recent times. You are a case in point though that with the right operator and a decent load a trubor is enough open gun to run with the big dogs. My current rig is a tanfoglio eric custom V12 (with plenty of my time and $$ on internals etc to improve trigger). It's a very flat shooting gun, but most certainly is loud and fairly hard in the hand. The all steel frame helps a bit, but the fact is I need to run 10.4gn of 3N38 to comfortable make IPSC major which is only 160 (I do run the gun at around 170pf). I find the gun pleasant to shoot. Last fast, plenty reliable but I can tell it's copping a beating. I've come to the conclusion that a 2011 is the logical way to go in open. I just want to keep that nice, flat, fast shooting feeling. I might try the new gun first without holes and then make a decision. I actually just bought a bottle of N105 to try. I used it a while ago but ultimately preferred 3N38 but 2 weeks ago at the local gun shop when I saw some N105 I thought I'd give it another go. Thanks for your help. I've always enjoyed your posts and your videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 This is one of the flatter guns I have run. I have all the parts to build another, STI frame, slide and Trubor barrel. The barrel is the same as the one I have now and I'll build it at some point. When I bought this I was basically going back to square one. The Trubor is a very good basic Open gun. My plan was to start basic, tweak and tune as I go and then when I'm happy build the second gun exactly the same. So far I'm not finding much I need to do, its a good blend of flat and soft. I've shot a lot of harsh guns over the years, they can be flat but not necessarily. The Tanfo's have a fairly light slide which makes them a bit more violent to shoot, initially I had my 2011 open guns built to be like that, now I'm finding the softer gun flat and much easier to shoot. Too soft can be bad as it feels sluggish to me, but I don't find the super light slides and fast cycling guns pleasant to shoot or any faster. I thought I would want to lighten the slide on this but even at full weight I find this gun plenty fast enough. I have not found a good enough reason to go to a metal frame, I've shot Para and Caspian framed guns in the past and they are OK but not any better then what I have now. The plastic grips are cheaper, easy to work on and if you screw up, and won't drain your bank account to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 That is very interesting input. I agree on the slide thing. One of the things I really like about the CZ/tanfo design is the burried in the frame/low profile slide and on the tanfo it's cut up a lot for a pretty light and low slide. so it does have significant slide speed. My smith says a similar thing to you which is that guns with too light slides do get more violent to shoot. The tanfo is calmed down a bit by the heavy frame/grip but it still needs to be ridden hard. I also don't want something that feels too soft as like you I felt that soft=slow but maybe that's not the case. Talking this out helps crystalise what I want. I think I'll go with the locally built 2011 based off the turbo barrel/comp and take it from there. Thanks Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 Worked some trigger control drills today. Trying out CFE pistol powder in the super. Worked quite well and happy with results. Started just getting a sight picture, prepping and firing a shot and working on returning the gun as quickly as possible with a prepped trigger. Then advanced into prepped doubles, tore a 3" hole in the center of the a zone. Ran the 3 second par time TGO drill and managed to get all but one in the A zone right up to the ten round string. Moved back and ran some bill drills at 30m. At first I was just banging on the trigger, hovering around 3.9 seconds. Changed to ensuring a prepped trigger for each shot and had a 4.5 second run all A's. Before that I was dropping some c's and the odd d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 Well I'll fill in the details later but here's how my day went Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BeerBaron Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 That version sti mount is a bit of a crap design. You can see the weak point where the lightening cuts come so close to the screw holes. Nice stress riser on the rear hole. Double tap mount is much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 I had a message on both fb and instagram from Josko to get my butt over this week to get a Doubletap mount installed, he has had a couple set aside for me for awhile now that I just hadn't got around to putting on yet. I was going to do it after Nationals but it looks like that is going to have to be sooner now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Canadian Nationals done. Placed 8th which is ok since I was the Match Director and had put in more hours running the match than shooting. I see a couple a things to work on. But to be honest I was pretty bagged so not performing to my best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Nice shooting. You looked like you had things together Pat. Thanks for posting the video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 I was so tired I was just trying not to look like an idiot lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 That looked like a pretty interesting use of berms vs stages. How many berms did you have to work with and how many total stages where there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 6 bays, 14 stage, 253 rounds. I designed it and helped lay it out and build it. That's my home club. The ranges are tough since they are all long and narrow. Where the speed shoots were its not much more than 6-7m wide and the widest bay isn't quite 15m wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 That is pretty sweet optimization of the limited quantity of bays you had to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Thanks! I've gotten used to it, its what we have to work with for our matches. I try to put lots of options and still test accuracy...not easy with narrow bays...thats why lots of hard cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 It still makes me sad watching you shoot open with 10 round mags. All of those reloads do not look like much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Noooooo kidding. Why do you think I shoot USPSA LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Wow, sounds like a challenge. 14 stages in 6 bays, good for you, I'll pass on the designing for that one. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Lol our level II matches are 3 stages on two bays. This was easy by comparison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Wow. Now I know about the open 10 and such but I had not heard the stage restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Gonna spend the winter working on my grip and trigger pull. Redeveloping my overall stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 Spent the day doing recoil recovery drills and simple transition drills. Warmed up with Double Draw Master and posted a decent score even with two malfunctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Today's WNYPPL match, glad I practiced yesterday but still lots to work on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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