Vlad Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 (edited) Pro-gun, pro-sport, pro-hunting, pro-ipsc, pro-idpa, pro-whatever you happen to approve of, we should always make sure that when we back up our position we use facts not best wishes. We accuse the opponents of doing this, and we should always make sure that we don't do it ourselves. Reading a link from a different thread I ran across this gem: Just today, I saw a 75-year-young man named Bob, with over 10,000 HALO parachute jumps, climb up a two-story ladder and clear a tactical house. Folks, I call BS. 10,000 jumps means one jump a day for 27.4 years, 365 days a year, no weekends, no holidays. The first HALO jumps started being used around 1965 as far as I can tell, which means Bob was 35 at the time. One jump a day, until he turned 62? Maybe he had more then one jump a day here and there but the HA part of HALO means he couldn't jump all that many times a day. And after 10,000 jumps he still had knees to climb that ladder with? The author may have had a point in the article this was found in, but my eyes glazed over really fast when I saw this kind of stuff. Please note that this post is not an attempt to flame the fires from a different closed thread, its purpose it to encourge people to not inflate numbers to support their cause, no matter how good of a cause it may be. Edited August 29, 2006 by Vlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101abn11b Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 sorry buddy but at the sport club @ Ft Campbell with your own rig it was not uncommon to get 10 - 12 jumps in a weekend and the guy's from 5th Group said in halo school it was 7 - 10 jumps a day because they would land and pick up a new rig and get back on the aircraft as to the bad knees landing with a square chute is like stepping off a curb when done right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I am with Vlad on this one and have to call BS....kind of like listening to some old codger talking about breaking 200mph in an open bodied roadster at the Salt Flats, back in the 60's...I don';t think so.. How many guys in the world claim to have 10 jumps of any kind? Not many I'll betch'a and I will also betch'a that none of them are running up any ladders to do a house clearing...double BS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101abn11b Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I have prsonally seen log books in the 7-8000 range and these were all sport jumps and not the ones our govt. paid them to do , 10,000 is a quite achievable number there are some of the competion jumpers in th 20-30,000 range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I knew of this guy that thought he had joined a prostitute club (he must have been in Nevada?). Turns out he'd joined a parachute club by mistake. Poor guy had already paid for 200 jumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted August 29, 2006 Author Share Posted August 29, 2006 There is a difference between sport jumps and HALO jumps. We are not talking about a couple of 1000's feet up. The HA part means high altitude, we are talking 26000ft here. Plus breathing gear, plus refilling the said breathing gear. Also as far as I can tell until very recently HALO was the realm of the military alone as the civilian sport market didn't have the planes and gear. What military purpose could have been found for droping the same guy from high places 10000 times? Also, unless I'm mistaken, HALO landings are not the gentle affairs of modern sport chute, not to mention the frostbite enducing tempertatures for the better part of the drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I am not from Missouri, but you still need to show me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Any time a military flight drops personnel or cargo at altitudes above 18,000 feet, specially trained aerospace physiology technician, nicknamed PTs, must fly on board. [...snip...]In 1995, PTs flew 550 sorties aboard aircraft, including the C-17, C-130, C-141, C-5 and others. They launched from 114 locales, including Pakistan, Australia, Indonesia, Korea, Italy and airfields throughout the United States. If somebody were jumping on each and every one of those 550 flights, it'd only take 20 years, assuming a constant flight rate. I can believe 10K jumps, but not 10K HALO jumps.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101abn11b Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 sport jumps typically go to 14,000 ft agl ,typical military halo jumps go out at 12,500 agl and why would the landing be any different with the same style parachute usually a 9cell square Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 (edited) 11b, Consider the source for the article. Clint Smith will usually say whatever he has to in order to make his point. Even when you are paying him for a class he is very condescending and his way is the only way. Twice in the class I took he contradicted an earlier statement simply to "WIN" what he perceived to a hostile attack when it was only an inquiry for clarification. The claim of 10k HALO jumps is a little hard to swallow however Mr. Smith inflating the truth 10x is not so hard for me. Edited August 29, 2006 by smokshwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 All I can do is shake my head......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 I read the same article...and was not going to name names, but since you already have... +1...you read my mail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 In a nutshell - Rebuttals are not permitted. If you cannot contribute supportively, please do not reply at all. That, and the naming of names = CLOSED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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