rgkeller Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 All this .7 second draw stuff has me nuts. What is a solid one shot draw time for an Master shooting single stack from a non offset kydex holster at seven yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Between .7 and 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hostetter Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Shooting a single stack legal 1911 using winchester 45acp hardball out of a non offset or dropped kydex holster I can get all "A's" at 10 yards averaging about .94-.96. I can sometimes drop into the high .8's but the "A's" start getting questionable. I hear about .6's and .7's all the time but rarely have I seen them done on demand and I shoot with a pretty fast crowd..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike cyrwus Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I know a gm whos a solid .8 to .9 to about 7yds; all A's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Yep! It's gonna almost always be under a second to shoot a "ten yard" A from the draw for a fast track M, or a GM level crowd using that type of gear. The really amazing thing is that "shot to shot" reloads for this crowd will also be in the same range using a SS gubmint' model and pulling the mag from kydex. BTW, we are talking about making an A hit at each end of the reload and doing it at ten yards. At 7 yards the A's kinda' become a gimme! Me, I'm just a 1.1 to 1.2ish type of guy with full race gear (10 yards again). I don't really count in the scheme of things ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I agree most M class guys will be doing sub one second draws. From what I have seen, .85-.90 isn't an unreasonable expectation. I have only made a handful of draws in the .72-.75 range. In practice, I eventually got under one second pretty much on demand with a 1911 out of regular old Kydex. However, to the best of my knowledge, I never hit a sub one second draw on any classifier that was averaged into any of my M class percentages with the exception of revolver. A 1.1-1.2 draw could see you deep into Master class (as far as classifiers are concerned) if you have the other skills to go with the draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Hi rgkeller! Yes, I agree with everyone's estimates of .7 to 1.0. I ran some drills for my practice records about two months ago and I was averaging .95 on a 10yd "A" hit with my SS.45. Kydex is only about .1 slower for me than one of my speedy holsters. The farther I move that target away, the less difference there is in plain Kydex vs. Speedy Type holsters. The most important aspect of the draw is to get the correct grip. The .3 you may save on a lightnin fast draw can be lost in one or two transitions if the grip is not just right. Here is another thing about sub-second draws, I don't do them in matches very often. If I can bust a 1.2 draw to a 10 yd "A" and get the grip right, I will usually have a much better stage than if I go for a fast first shot and don't get the control I need. If I go sub-one in a match, it's either by accident or because I decided to "turn the badger loose" and go for broke on a stage. That ain't always a good idea for the best stage score, but it's always a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Hmm.. I'd put a ten yard A every time at a match right at a second or a little more for a middling 'M' class shooter. Max said he hits the 18"x24" gong at 7 yards on Smoke and Hope in about .8. The speedy kids hit it in .6's and .7's, but it's a much larger than A-zone target to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 One more thought, rg. On your average stage it's way better to draw a little slower with yer boots a scootin than it is to whip it out real quick and just stand there looking fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Actual match performance is definitely a differnt' animal from warmed up and working on a best run in practice sessions. I am back down to 1.1 to 1.2 from the holster in practice when warmed up, but stick a 10-15 yard full target right in front of me at a match and I might wind up taking 1.4 to 1.5 to put an A on that suckah' when the buzzer goes off and startles me out of my typical stage prep reverie ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Like everyone says, it is way different at a match than at practice when you have done 25 draws and are really loose and ready to go....after sufficient warm up and at practice, I can do between .75 and .9 most of the time...but at a match, usually about 1.1 or a little more cause like Sam says, it is better to insure a great grip than have a blazing fast draw and not hit anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 (edited) At a Todd Jarrett class a couple of years ago, he was doing .74-.75 draws from a Safariland belt holster. As he was telling us how to do things he was handling his gun, in the 2 day class he probably touched the gun 1000 times. Speed is relative to the amount of practice time you want to expend. Edited August 24, 2006 by LPatterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 shooting steel the other day i was shooting single stack with regular kydex holster. on smoke and hope i had a few .63s, a 68 and a bunch of .70s out to ten and twelve yards, the draws slowed down to .90 avg. I am/was a pretty high A class shooter in limited ten, so i guess im an A with a single stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 My draws average 1.1-1.2. I haven't been able to get any faster after all these years even with coaching. It's simply my physical make-up. In the big picture rarely will a stage be determined by .20 seconds on a draw. I've shot master class classifiers with 1.5 draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I average a 1.1-1.2 draw and I do alright for a lowly master. But a GM draw should be 1.0 or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I am just a B. I can pull draws and an A on a 7 yard target at or just under a second cold on demand. Warmed up I can get down in the high .70's-low .80's. In a match on a stand-and-blast stage I would be right at a second, and just a tad more for a surrender draw. On a 15 yard popper I will be looking for 1.25 but it might get as long as a 1.40. I hate stand and blast, I want shoot and scoot instead. Shoot and scoot draws can be anywhere from a .90 to a full two seconds depending on the array. I stay around a second or a little more just to get a good grip as the others have said. Getting a bad grip sets the stage for disaster, insurance is slowing down a tad and getting that solid grip. The draw is just one small aspect of shooting. It helps to have a fast draw, but a good shooter has a lot more tools than just a fast draw. I think we put a lot more emphasis on the draw than it deserves a lot of times. That is how I built a good draw, but it made very little difference. I would have been better served by working on more/other things instead of focusing on a speedy draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Speed is relative to the amount of practice time you want to expend. good qoute.... sometimes,i'll try this while warming up during a shooting session..1.40,then 1.45 then 1.21 then 1.10,then 1.o5,1.06.1.07 1.33..all at 10 yards...when i can get to 1.0 or .95 area then i'll quit...sometimes 35 to 45 rnds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATMester Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 (edited) At 7 yard using a stock 1911 (stock weight springs etc.) with factory 230gr hardball (190 plus PF) I can keep them in the 0.8 - 0.9 range from surrender start. Edited November 14, 2006 by TheHun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaJoe Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Speed is relative to the amount of practice time you want to expend. That is the best qoute regarding shooting I have heard in a while. Beautiful. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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