JTR Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Kinda new to all this, but I’ll add what I’ve got. 185gr Berry’s Hollow Base Round Nose (for speedy reloads in the 625) 4.6gr Titegroup CCI Primers Mixed brass. Haven’t chronoed it, but it wouldn’t think it’s major power factor (use it for Steel). It is very accurate in the 625, the SIG P220, the Gold Cup and an old Springfield. Functions in the autos just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 3.8 grains CLAYs precision 230 rnfp. 1.220 oal federal 150 primer super soft and really clean. for me its a tossup for which i like best, 185 or 230 either/or, i like em both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgtsvi Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I remember loading some .45 ammo with Dupont 700X several years ago and it was pretty clean burning. That was back when everyone used smokey bullseye for .45 in the pre VV and Dillon days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 (edited) For revolver loads, I have recently switched to American Select. 5.0gr with 230gr Rainier in Federal case with Federal primers gives me 175PF better accuracy than the same at 168PF and recoil is not bad from the 5" or the 6.5" revolver. (Actually not bad in 4" for IDPA either) Regards, Edited August 22, 2006 by Round_Gun_Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 besides being twice as expensive, VV would have to really do something spectacular to make me switch from clays. If i could buy it locally, i would try it/ use it...but i doubt it would replace CLAYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganShootist Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I have been run through the chrono at 4 major matches in '06 with this load out of two different 5" 1911s. One a Kimber Custom Target and the other a Springer Trophy Match. The power factor was 170.2 to 172.9 on all shots.... so my Dillon must be metering well. I load --------- 230 Grain Zero brand or Montana Gold round nosed FMJs TiteGroup 4.5 Grains Federal Primers (I like wheel guns too) Mixed Brass COL 1.25" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlktheduk Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 This year I've changed over to Clays. In my guns, it has been cleaner then Titegroup, and accuracy is good. (when the loose nut behind the trigger does his job ) 4 grains of Clays 230 grain Rainier plated RN Federal LP 150 primers OAL: 1.260 average velocity 734 FPS/ Power Factor 168.820 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 5" barrel average velocity 727 FPS/ Power Factor 167.721 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 4" barrel I had been using Titegroup for the last two years, with the following loads: 4.6 grains Titegroup 230 grain Zero FMJ/RN Federal LP 150 primers OAL: 1.260 average velocity 736 FPS/ Power Factor 169.280 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 5" barrel average velocity 725 FPS/ Power Factor 166.750 from Colt's Series 80 automatic, 5" barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGYoung Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 My favorite is 230gr FMJ over 6.1gr WW231. Been using this since 1994 with great results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 (edited) My favorite is 230gr FMJ over 6.1gr WW231. Been using this since 1994 with great results that seems like alot of 231 behind a 230...im thinking 5.3 grains makes a factory duplicate ball load...maybe im mistaken. Harmon Edited August 28, 2006 by Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD Niner Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 For me it is: 230 gr Zero JHP 4.1 gr. Clays Winchester Large Pistol Primer 1.245 OAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Tried this load today. EVIL 200 grain semi wadcutter 4.2 grains CLAYS fed 150 1.250 oal. Feels nice, but smoke is more than 230 lead and the recoil is a touch snappier. if it wasnt for the smoke, it would be pretty good load. Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newshooter Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 I use a rainier 230grn. bullet with W231@ 5.2 grains. with winchester primers. They seem to work pretty well in my kimber 5in. I was planning on gettin a lb of clays but i picked up an sti 40. So i went with some tite group for that one instead of getting another lb of my 45 haha. I was thinkin about clays before the .40 came around. i have heard alot of good things about it and was curious to try it out. Maybe one day ill pick up a Lb of it and try it out.... Joey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 titegroup works OK with the 45 too, its just a bit dirty and the powder charge doesnt fill the case much...leaving room for 3-4 extra powder charges. for a full power ball load, its probably hard to beat, but at 750 fps with a 230, it plays second fiddle to CLAYS. Harmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas-xd45 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 My favorite is 230gr FMJ over 6.1gr WW231. Been using this since 1994 with great results Straight out of the "Speer Reloading Manual Number ten" They show a MV of 885fps. They also say it is a Maximum load! -steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grump Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 What velocity you getting with that load? I presume you're in a 5-inch barrel.... Got one gun that's giving me 2% stovepipes with that load. Tweak ejector or extractor? Cases are going straight up and straight back. I would use Clays but I have about 5 lbs of 231 left over...so I am going to use a 200 gr #68 H&G over 5.6 of 231 WW cases and Fed primers, OAL 1.245, crimp at .470Get with it, Z!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keninaz Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 200g SWC (H&G 68) over 4.3 Clays or 5.1 VV N320 Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggerpresser Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 (edited) Anybody got a load for VV n310 using a 185 gr. jacketed bullet? I have several thousand Star 185 gr. JHP's and some N310 as well as some Clays and Tite Group. I'd be interested to know if anybody has some ideas as to where to begin with this bullet and those powders, especially the n310. Edited September 21, 2006 by triggerpresser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamboozled Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Wow your results are very different than mine. Your load is .3 gr more than mine but is almost 30 fps slower. Perhaps my chrono is fast. 230 gr Berry's plated RN 4.3 gr Titegroup CCI 300 LP primer PMC cases 1.260" OAL 761.0 FPS = 175 PF from Glock 21 w/ stock barrel. I will chrono the load through my Para P14, but historically, the P14 is ~15 fps faster than my G21. This year I've changed over to Clays. In my guns, it has been cleaner then Titegroup, and accuracy is good. (when the loose nut behind the trigger does his job ) 4 grains of Clays 230 grain Rainier plated RN Federal LP 150 primers OAL: 1.260 average velocity 734 FPS/ Power Factor 168.820 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 5" barrel average velocity 727 FPS/ Power Factor 167.721 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 4" barrel I had been using Titegroup for the last two years, with the following loads: 4.6 grains Titegroup 230 grain Zero FMJ/RN Federal LP 150 primers OAL: 1.260 average velocity 736 FPS/ Power Factor 169.280 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 5" barrel average velocity 725 FPS/ Power Factor 166.750 from Colt's Series 80 automatic, 5" barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Rosenthal Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 4grs. of Clays over a 230FMJ Anything else is just a waste of powder! I shoot limited... very limited! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superman Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) Wow your results are very different than mine. Your load is .3 gr more than mine but is almost 30 fps slower. Perhaps my chrono is fast.230 gr Berry's plated RN 4.3 gr Titegroup CCI 300 LP primer PMC cases 1.260" OAL 761.0 FPS = 175 PF from Glock 21 w/ stock barrel. I will chrono the load through my Para P14, but historically, the P14 is ~15 fps faster than my G21. This year I've changed over to Clays. In my guns, it has been cleaner then Titegroup, and accuracy is good. (when the loose nut behind the trigger does his job ) 4 grains of Clays 230 grain Rainier plated RN Federal LP 150 primers OAL: 1.260 average velocity 734 FPS/ Power Factor 168.820 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 5" barrel average velocity 727 FPS/ Power Factor 167.721 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 4" barrel I had been using Titegroup for the last two years, with the following loads: 4.6 grains Titegroup 230 grain Zero FMJ/RN Federal LP 150 primers OAL: 1.260 average velocity 736 FPS/ Power Factor 169.280 from S&W Model 625 revolver, 5" barrel average velocity 725 FPS/ Power Factor 166.750 from Colt's Series 80 automatic, 5" barrel I get roughly the same results as wlktheduk. 230 Precision Delta FMJ 4.5 Titegroup WW Cases CCI or WLP primer OAL 1.260 Yields about 725 fps from my 45 Edge. I know there are variances between guns but I can't imagine 175 power factor with 4.3 of Titegroup. Is it possible the plated bullet could account for this? I would check my scales carefully. You may be dropping more powder than you think you are. Tony P.S. I tried 4.0 of Clays but the slide cycle on my gun was slow and lazy. I think I could almost rack the slide by hand faster. Perhaps this could be resolved by changing out the mainspring/recoil spring. Seems like a lot of trouble for whatever benefit may lie in Clays over Titegroup. Edited October 14, 2006 by tlshores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 CCI Blazer 230's I don't practice enough to offset the time/cost of reloading so cheap factory ammo gets the nod. Maybe if I get the itch to "re-earn" my GM card I'll start reloading again. Besides I NEVER have to worry about making MAJOR!!! Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamboozled Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Tony, I agree, it is difficult for me to believe such a large varience between my loads and yours/wlktheduk's. I'll pull a bullet and double check. As for the plated bullet being that much faster, I'm not sure. I'd say its a definite "mabe". I know that lead bullets are faster for any given powder charge b/c of less resistance going down the bore, and plated bullets are between lead and jacketed in that respect. I'll do some follow-up tests and post what I find. I get roughly the same results as wlktheduk.230 Precision Delta FMJ 4.5 Titegroup WW Cases CCI or WLP primer OAL 1.260 Yields about 725 fps from my 45 Edge. I know there are variances between guns but I can't imagine 175 power factor with 4.3 of Titegroup. Is it possible the plated bullet could account for this? I would check my scales carefully. You may be dropping more powder than you think you are. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyrlik Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 In my search for a favorite load, I read through my Pet Loads book and duplicated Ken Waters' work. 185gr. Sierras with 10.5 grains of Bluedot and FC primers shot one hole groups. So did 7.7 grains of Unique. 200gr. LSWC with 7 grains of Unique or 6-6.4 grains did the same. These loads really need FC primers, as others did not group as tight. These old articles are a wonderful resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Ellis Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I'm currently running 230 Precision Moly and Clays. However for the next season I looking hard at going to JRN from Precision Delta and I want to stick with Clays. I noted some of you running 4.1 to 4.3 gr with jacketed bullets which is over the book max from the Hodgdon manual. Any issues other than looking for the usual pressure signs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamboozled Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Thank you Hank, I was wondering the same thing. For those who load Clays above Hodgdon's book data, is there another reference source that you guys are using? If so, what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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