E Bay Second Chance Offer

[Merlin Orr]

Help me. I got this offer on an item I bid on and lost on e bay. I just received an e mail from aw-confirm@e bay.com with the following text. Is this real or some sort of comnplex scam?

Thanks for your input.

Merlin

Second Chance Offer -- Buy The Item You Recently Bid On

Dear bigtexasred8 ,

Good news! The following eBay item on which you placed a bid for US $1,117.99 is now available for purchase:

NEW DILLON PRECISION PRODUCTS, INC. RL 1050 RELOADER (Item #7222251693)

Your Price : US $1,117.99

Date : Mar-16-06

Don't let this get away!

Second Chance Offer

The seller Hubert Wheeler is making this Second Chance Offer because the high bidder was either unable to complete the transaction or the seller has a duplicate item for sale.

Instructions: (please read carefully)

Complete your eBay transaction in 5 easy steps:

The buyer and the seller agree on the transaction terms and a selling price. Seller contacts eBay with the transaction details ; eBay accepts the transaction and offers purchase protection to the buyer (if the transaction is declined, no further action is required from either the buyer or the seller);

The buyer sends payment and the seller receives it. After the payment cleared, the seller must notify eBay. Buyer will send the payment details directly to the seller email address. The seller has three business days to send the buyer and eBay the tracking number of the shipment. If no tracking number is provided, a full refund is immediately sent to the buyer;

Buyer receives the merchandise and has five days to inspect it. If it is complete and as described, the buyer should accept the merchandise. If he refuses the merchandise, the buyer must ship the merchandise back to the seller within three business days. After the inspection period is over, the buyer must contact eBay with the result of the inspection. If the buyer refuses the merchandise, the refund will be sent to the buyer after the tracking number for the returned shipment is verified. To enjoy the purchase protection, you must send the payment by the insured payment method below.

Attention: Sending the payment by any other method will void this transaction and your right to refund.

Details and instructions of this transaction:

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Item insurance policy:

The following item(s) are clear for eBay's item insurance policy:

NEW DILLON PRECISION PRODUCTS, INC. RL 1050 RELOADER (Item #7222251693)

Seller's verified payment address:

Hubert Wheeler

<deleted for privacy>

London SW8 3NA

United Kingdom

Buyer's shipping address:

Merlin Orr

<deleted for privacy>

Fairfield TX 75840

USA

Item Number: 7222251693

Amount insured: US $1,117.99

Payment must be sent by Western Union Money Transfer

Next step to be taken: The buyer must send the payment to the seller.

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Payment instructions:

To submit the payment with Western Union Money Transfer , you have the following option :

Pay with cash from a local Western Union agent . Click here to locate the agents in your area :

http://www.westernunion.com/info/agentInquiryIntl.asp

Western Union Money Transfer is the only service that has ultimate authentication of the identity of the receiver of funds. Several IDs and utility bills are required before the funds are paid. Therefore, no one else but your seller can pick up the money. Your payments cannot be lost in the mail, like money orders or checks.However, Western Union Money Transfer is designed mainly for sending cash to friends and family in need, so telling them you are sending the money to an eBay seller will prevent your money transfer to go through and you will be unable to complete this transaction.Because the fee to send a Western Union Money Transfer is high,compared to other methods of payment, we have arranged with the seller to compensate for half of this fee (i.e. if it costs you $100 to send the payment, take $50 from the amount insured and send the balance).

Once the payment was sent, email the seller the following information:

1) 10 digit number : MTCN (Money Transfer Control Number):

2) Exact sender's name on file with Western Union:

3) Your street address on file with Western Union:

4) City and country where you sent the money from:

5) Amount sent:

Then wait for the confirmation that the payment was received. Within 3

business days, you will receive the tracking number for your

merchandise.

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Purchase Protection and Refund:

Currently, the above mentioned Seller has a US $20,000.00 deposit in the eBay managed purchase protection account. Transactions with this eBay Seller are covered by purchase protection against fraud and description errors (i.e. eBay Buyer Protection Program and eBay Fraud Protection Program). For your safety, this account was locked today, for 30 days time. The seller is unable to withdraw any money from it, within this period. Should you need a refund for this transaction, the insured amount will be taken from the Seller's purchase protection account and sent to you. The refund is sent to your bank account, or by check or money order. The way you are refunded is at your choice. You have 30 days from the above verification date to request a refund. Refund requests are processed within 3 days. The insurer of this transaction is eBay Inc., located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125, United States of America. The account is managed by eBay's Square Trade center and this transaction is supervised by eBay's Safe Harbor team.

Conditions to be met before you may ask for a Refund:

Here are the situations suitable for a refund request

- if the item doesn't arrive and/or the seller stops communications after the payment has been sent;

- if your merchandise arrives in a much longer period than the one you agreed upon (more than 15 days from the payment clearance day). In these case you have to return the merchandise to the seller prior to ask for your refund. If you did not pay the seller by the required payment method, your refund request would be declined.

- if you receive an item that is clearly different from what you purchased in a way that significantly affects its value or utility. For example a Rolex watch that when received is counterfeit, or an item listed as working that doesn't work when you receive it. (The SquareTrade Claims Administrator makes this determination in its sole discretion and may require you to provide a written statement from a qualified appraiser, at SquareTrade's sole discretion).

Important Usage Guidelines:

The contact information should only be used for resolving matters related to eBay. Any other use is strictly prohibited. This transaction is protected by eBay services such as insurance, feedback and dispute resolution. You may buy and sell with confidence in all transactions with this eBay member. If you need to dispute this transaction, keep the transaction number at hand when contacting eBay. Any complaints must be filed within 30 days from the verification date.

This e-mail message was sent to you from eBay SafeHarbor team, with the full support of the SquareTrade center.The seller was informed about this transaction being started and is awaiting your payment. It is recommended to send the payment as soon as possible, as your purchase protection is valid for 30 days only. Should you encounter any problems with this transaction, please contact us. When contacting our support team, use the reply feature so that all previous correspondences are included in your email. Otherwise, we will not be able to process your request in due time.

To ask for a refund, simply reply to this notification and enter in the subject line:

Refund request for eBay Transaction #7222251693

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[Matt Cheely]

I think the seller can do that. I haven't been on ebay in more than a year though.

And I didn't stay at a holiday inn last night either.

[ima45dv8]

I also seem to remember them having a 2nd Chance option, but the details escape me.

[Flyin40]

This has happened to me before. I have bid on two of the same exact items and won the first one. The second auction ended an hr later and I won that one too. I bought the first one and let the other guy know I wouldl not be taking his item.

but............

I would in no way do this one. Only way would be is if I could personsally pick it up. Western Union is the only way to pay for it. I don't like that at all. Also in the emails from ebay there was never been a mention to how much money someone has in ebay.

I would suggest contacting ebay if your worried. It might be a legit deal but I wouldn't be willing to put $1,100 to find out.

Just looked at it again

I personally wouldn't do it because of the following two things....

London SW8 3NA

United Kingdom

Attention: Sending the payment by any other method will void this transaction and your right to refund.

Details and instructions of this transaction:

No way, I would never do it. So if you send the money in the form of a money order then he gets to keep the money and the press. LOL, thats asking for trouble.

Flyin40

Edited March 16, 2006 by Flyin40

[Merlin Orr]

I just forwarded the whole mess to spoof@ebay.com. We will see what they have to say on the deal....

Hello,

Thank you for writing to eBay regarding the email you received.

Emails such as this, commonly referred to as "spoof" or "phished"

messages, are sent in an attempt to collect sensitive personal or

financial information from the recipients.

The email you reported was not sent by eBay. We have reported this email

to the appropriate authorities.

In the future, be very cautious of any email that asks you to submit

information such as your credit card numbers or passwords. If you are

ever concerned about an email you receive from eBay, simply follow these

steps:

1. Open a new Web browser and type www.ebay.com into your browser

address field to go directly to the eBay site.

2. On eBay, sign into your account and click the "My eBay" button at the

top of the page.

3. Check the My Messages section located at the top of the My eBay page.

If an email affects your eBay account, it's now in My Messages. Any

email sent to your registered eBay email address from eBay or from

another eBay member via eBay's member-to-member communication system

will now appear in My Messages.

Just remember, if you get an email to your registered eBay email address

that looks like it's from eBay about a problem with your account or

requesting personal information, check My Messages first. If it's not

there, it's a fake email.

If you still have any doubt about whether an email message is from eBay,

please forward it immediately to spoof@ebay.com. Do not respond to it or

click any of the links. Do not remove the original subject line or

change the email in any way when you forward it to us.

If you have already entered sensitive personal information, financial

information, or your password into a Web site based on a request from a

spoofed email, you should take immediate action to protect your identity

and all of your online accounts. We have developed an eBay Help page

with valuable information regarding the steps you should take to protect

yourself.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/tp/isgw-account...-reporting.html

To review eBay's new tutorial about Spoof Emails, please see the

following Web page:

http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial/

To help you better protect yourself from fake eBay and PayPal Web sites,

we have developed a feature for the eBay Toolbar called "Account Guard."

Account Guard includes an indicator of when you are on an eBay or PayPal

Web site or a known spoof (or "phishing") site, buttons to report fake

eBay Web sites, and a password notification feature that warns you when

you may be entering your eBay password on an unverified site.

To learn more about the eBay Toolbar with Account Guard go to

www.ebay.com, click on "Downloads" at the bottom of the page, and then

click on the "eBay Toolbar" link.

Once again, thank you for alerting us to the spoof email you received.

Your efforts help keep eBay a safe and fair place to trade.

Regards,

eBay SafeHarbor

Investigations Team

[al503]

They guy has it re-listed also and the bid is $1275.

Ebay does offer a second chance option but given these circumstances (seller has 0 feedback) and the fact that it's been re-listed, I don't think I'd take the risk.

AND, you don't need 4 1050's, do you?

[shred]

http://www.google.com/search=ebay second chance fraud

[Shooter Grrl]

And for general information - if you do receive a legitimate second chance offer - all you need to do is login to ebay - it will be listed as a "win" in your "my ebay". I've made several second chance offers when the bid winner freakin' flaked

[Merlin Orr]

Shred

Thanks for the link. I nibbled at the bait but was saved - with a little help from my friends!

Now - How can I find this guy in the UK for a little dose of "Texas Justice?"

[al503]

Shred

Thanks for the link. I nibbled at the bait but was saved - with a little help from my friends!

Now - How can I find this guy in the UK for a little dose of "Texas Justice?"

Someone's is going to win that other auction and possibly get screwed. Is there a way to alert ebay on this?

Here's his new auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-DILLON-PRECISION-P...1QQcmdZViewItem

Edited March 16, 2006 by al503

[Shooter Grrl]

Someone's is going to win that other auction and possibly get screwed. Is there a way to alert ebay on this?

Here's his new auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-DILLON-PRECISION-P...1QQcmdZViewItem

The seller of the press is not involved in the scam that Merlin received. His relisting is legitimate, as the original auction did not get up to his reserve price.

[al503]

The seller of the press is not involved in the scam that Merlin received. His relisting is legitimate, as the original auction did not get up to his reserve price.

Aha! My mistake.

I hate these f'n scammers. I hope karma is a b*tch for them.

[NewRacer]

Second Chance offers will showing up in MyEbay. There will also be a message in MyEbay.

never click on a link in the email. Open a new Browser and go to ebay and check out your messages.

I have been sent spoofs and have had legit offers.

[straightshooter1]

One of the things that sometimes happens-and I am NOT saying it happened in this case-is that sellers have shill bidders, their buddies, who bid on items from their computers and run up the price. Sometimes they miscalculate and actually "win" the item. Then the seller tries to contact the person who came in "second" telling them the first guy wouldn't/couldn't buy it, offering to sell at the last bid price the person bid.

Ebay and Gunbroker are smart enough to catch this if the Seller uses his computer to make the bid, but if it is another machine and they (the seller and bidder) are not computer connected in any way, then they can get away with it.

Had a "friend" who did this on Gunbroker. He'd call his buddy in Missouri or in a city south of us and get him/them to bid an item up or against someone who wanted the item. Sometimes they would end up winning and this "friend" would have to figure out how to keep from paying the GB fees since it looked like a legit auction. GB got smart and required a seller to file a non-paying bidder and leave negative feedback to avoid the fees so this "friend" had to quit his games. Still goes on with others, though.

I was doing some work for this "friend", but quit doing anything or associating with him because of this. I think GB has recently made it hard or impossible to contact a non-winning bidder as a result of these types of schemes, but I am not sure.

I always check the bid histories of past auctions to see if the same bidders bid and never win. If so, I just assume the seller has a bunch of shill bidders and I don't play.

I am sure they have gotten even more sophisticated in their cheating by now.

Bob

[R/T Performance]

WOW Thanks for posting this.

I got hit on a paypal spoof

I hope those Romains get what they got coming

[chuckbradley]

Defintely a scam. Its big on cars, high dollar things. They make it seem to good to be true. I played around with one of these guys once. They give a sob story about being in Europe for wahtever reason and they will ship the car for free. The last one I did they said the car was in Canada. I wanted to know where, with cheap airfare I wanted to go look at it first. I then asked him if anybody really fell for these scams and he replied in poor english that if they didnt he wouldnt make the auctions he does.

[Cactustactical]

This has happened to me before. I have bid on two of the same exact items and won the first one. The second auction ended an hr later and I won that one too. I bought the first one and let the other guy know I wouldl not be taking his item.

Flyin40,

I hope you don't do this a lot. eBay charged the second guy a "successful auction" fee because someone won his auction. He is stuck paying that fee even though you backed out unless he goes through a multi step process to jam you up as a non paying bidder. He has to complete all the steps fully to get his fee refunded and completion of those steps place a negative mark against you as a "non paying" buyer. 3 of those marks and you are suspended from eBay, IIRC.

Edited March 17, 2006 by Cactustactical

[SiG Lady]

What NewRacer said.

Otherwise, "When in doubt--dont!"