Sprinco Or Recoilmaster In Production

[jkushner1]

Gentlment:

I know these are completely different divisions, but John A. indicated in a response to a letter from a member that although Tungsten would not be legal in Classic S/S, a Recoilmaster or a Sprinco would be. My question, is now jumping to Pd, where I spend most of my time, I have operated under the assumption that the OFM guide rod or a factory manufactured alternative (also OFM) are the only legal choices for Production. Would a Sprinco or a Recoilmaster have any chance of being legal in PD ?

Thanks,.

Jkushner11

[spd522]

FWIW- I have a Sprinco and have used it in my Para P18-9mm, Para P14-45, and SA 1911 45. In the 45s it works fine. However, unless I am shooting some hot 9mm in the P18, it doesn't run reliable enough for me to use it. I think the double spring setup may be too much for 125-130 PF 9mm. Even with a 7-8lb spring. Just my experience.

On that thought, if you are using a 9mm for Production, the Sprinco may not work properly, even if legal (but I don't think it is).

The Recoil Master is a similar concept and I don't doubt would have similar results. The one person I know with a 9mm STI single stack had lots of problems until he replaced the Recoil Master with a FLGR.

Not necessarily a solid answer to your question but info you might consider if you find they are legal in Production.

Craig

[GeorgeInNePa]

In the Vanek thread we determined that aftermarket recoil spring guide rods were legal in that they are an internal modification. The only rule that really applies is that the gun cannot weigh more than 2ozs. over factory weight.

I would say that ANY after market guide rod would be legal, regardless of how many springs and slidey things it has, as long as your gun doesn't weigh more than 2ozs. over factory spec. Of course my opinion is worth what you paid for it.

My advice is to email and/or call John Amidon, his is the final word.

Edited February 28, 2006 by GeorgeInNePa

[Clay1]

What I thought was interesting was that no tungstun guide rods are allowed in the new SS provisional div but they are allowed in Production as long as you don't go over the 2 oz rule.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that is the case.

Rick

[jkushner1]

In the Vanek thread we determined that aftermarket recoil spring guide rods were legal in that they are an internal modification. The only rule that really applies is that the gun cannot weigh more than 2ozs. over factory weight.

I would say that ANY after market guide rod would be legal, regardless of how many springs and slidey things it has, as long as your gun doesn't weigh more than 2ozs. over factory spec. Of course my opinion is worth what you paid for it.

My advice is to email and/or call John Amidon, his is the final word.

*Thanks George - See you in April, probably before. Also, Max, Jr emailed me back that is was fine to bring a PD gun to the Course.

[jkushner1]

Sprinco Recoil Reducing Guide Rods and Recoilmaster are Legal for Production

Plese see the dialog below and response from John Amidon at the USPSA

From: John Amidon [mailto:jamidon1@twcny.rr.com]

Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:12 PM

To: Jon Kushner

Subject: Re: Question asked on USPSA Forum - Rules section, Vince Pinto recommended sending to you.

Hi Jon,

The rules do not address internal parts, just external, which have to

be OFM, there is a weight restriction on the Production guns of not

more than 2 oz over mfg listed weight, you are allowed action work to enhance reliability, this could include a different guide rod.

Regards,

John Amidon

----- Original Message -----

From: Jon Kushner

To: jamidon1@twcny.rr.com

Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:31 PM

Subject: Question asked on USPSA Forum - Rules section, Vince Pinto recommended sending to you.

Mr. Amidon – please see below. This mainly just a question in that I truly don’t know that I can can shoot faster or better with a Sprinco or recoilmaster guide rod, but have them for my Pd division CZ 85’s:

USPSA Forums > Rules Discussions > Production Division - Guide Rod Question

Posted by: jkushner11 Feb 27 2006, 10:52 AM

Gentlmen:

I know these are completely different divisions, but John A. indicated in a response to a letter from a member that although Tungsten would not be legal in Classic S/S, a Recoilmaster or a Sprinco would be. My question, is now jumping to Pd, where I spend most of my time, I have operated under the assumption that the OFM guide rod or a factory manufactured alternative (also OFM) are the only legal choices for Production. Would a Sprinco or a Recoilmaster have any chance of being legal in PD ?

Thanks,.

Jkushner11

Posted by: Vince Pinto Feb 28 2006, 10:18 AM

Hi there,

I really think you should pose this question directly to John Amidon on jamidon1@twcny.rr.com, because the rules do not specifically cover guide rods.

[ima45dv8]

I notice that Jon emailed Mr. Amidon and received a reply less than 5 hours later.

Pretty damn good customer service!

[Jadepanther]

I was comparing this very rule with IPSC, my interpretation of IPSC rules means no. I'f I'm wrong someone please correct me. This also sounds like you can't even use aftermarket recoil, or hammer springs? that seems harsh.

I copied this from the IPSC website, under the production division info

Aftermarket parts, components and accessories are prohibited, except as follows:

Aftermarket magazines which match the external dimensions of standard magazines offered by the OFM for the approved handgun are permitted.

Aftermarket sights of the same type and kind offered by the OFM for the approved handgun are permitted, provided their installation and/or adjustment requires no alteration to the handgun.

Aftermarket grips which match the profile of the OFM standard for the approved handgun and/or the application of tape on grips is permitted, however, rubber sleeves are prohibited.

Sprinco Recoil Reducing Guide Rods and Recoilmaster are Legal for Production

Plese see the dialog below and response from John Amidon at the USPSA

From: John Amidon [mailto:jamidon1@twcny.rr.com]

Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:12 PM

To: Jon Kushner

Subject: Re: Question asked on USPSA Forum - Rules section, Vince Pinto recommended sending to you.

Hi Jon,

The rules do not address internal parts, just external, which have to

be OFM, there is a weight restriction on the Production guns of not

more than 2 oz over mfg listed weight, you are allowed action work to enhance reliability, this could include a different guide rod.

Regards,

John Amidon

----- Original Message -----

From: Jon Kushner

To: jamidon1@twcny.rr.com

Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:31 PM

Subject: Question asked on USPSA Forum - Rules section, Vince Pinto recommended sending to you.

Mr. Amidon – please see below. This mainly just a question in that I truly don’t know that I can can shoot faster or better with a Sprinco or recoilmaster guide rod, but have them for my Pd division CZ 85’s:

USPSA Forums > Rules Discussions > Production Division - Guide Rod Question

Posted by: jkushner11 Feb 27 2006, 10:52 AM

Gentlmen:

I know these are completely different divisions, but John A. indicated in a response to a letter from a member that although Tungsten would not be legal in Classic S/S, a Recoilmaster or a Sprinco would be. My question, is now jumping to Pd, where I spend most of my time, I have operated under the assumption that the OFM guide rod or a factory manufactured alternative (also OFM) are the only legal choices for Production. Would a Sprinco or a Recoilmaster have any chance of being legal in PD ?

Thanks,.

Jkushner11

Posted by: Vince Pinto Feb 28 2006, 10:18 AM

Hi there,

I really think you should pose this question directly to John Amidon on jamidon1@twcny.rr.com, because the rules do not specifically cover guide rods.

[eerw]

In IPSC they would not be legal..

In USPSA good to go..as long as it does not take the gun over the 2 ounce rule.

Doesn't really work all that well with minor loads..but when I tried mine..I only trialed it with my 130PF loads..and did not try anything in the 140PF+ range.

[Jadepanther]

anyone know about recoil, and hammer springs in IPSC?