Shawn Knight Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 (edited) Seeing the sight on the target when the hammer falls, is a major part of follow thru.Many can't call shots, because they aren't seeing, when it goes bang. Follow thru in dry fire can help. But without recoil you can't have Follow-Through, because the sights never move from the target. You can dry-fire till your finger hurts but without knowing how your gun moves then you will not be able to "Follow-Through" with the end of the firing sequence.. On that note... What is the firing sequence? I am not being sarcastic in anyway. Please understand that I am just trying to understand what part of dry-fire is "Follow-Through". Edited March 22, 2008 by theknightoflight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Follow through..mmmmmm.....perhaps that explains the occasional Alpha- mike when surely when I called two alphas prior to the next target transition............yes, follow through!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerjg Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 TKOL has some interesting questions and points. To me, follow through is setting up the sights for the shot, breaking the shot and then returning the sights for the next shot. Can someone explain it any better than that? Or am i way off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 When I think of our shooting "stuff"...most things tend to have some beginning stuff that needs done...some middle stuff...and some end stuff. Follow through, for me, involves the end stuff. The end stuff is one thing I see get skipped in DF. I offered up one of the tricks/techniques that I use to help me make sure I do the end stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Dry fire follow through for me is pulling the trigger through for a count of three while still mantaining a solid sight picture. One of the easist ways to ruin a shot is to pull the trigger and immediately let go. Even in live fire there is time to hold the trigger while the gun is in recoil before releasing for the next shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Knight Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 OK. I see what you are saying now. Are you simulating recoil? I was taught that can lead to flinching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Just holding the gun there for an extra little bit before I go whipping it around to the next thing. Being true to what the real time might be...instead of cheating myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Knight Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Just holding the gun there for an extra little bit before I go whipping it around to the next thing. Being true to what the real time might be...instead of cheating myself. Ah! I see said the blind man who picked up his hammer and saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) Sometime after I started the dryfire routine described early in this thread, i was pressed for money & time & doing literally ZERO live-fire practice. Went looking for a way enforce a little extra follow-thru which for me - with the open gun - was seeing, hearing, and feeling the trigger release forward prior to looking for the next target: prior to moving off the present target. For sure it seems like extra-long followthru but it was all i could come up with at the time. That change was followed immediately by the local match where i saw about 15 of my bullets going SPLAT onto steel targets. Which was nice. Same match had a stage which was cramped for space and required 3 rounds on each target. Ran around plugging 3 bullet-holes into the size of a playing card & it felt effortless. Most everyone else seemed to put 2 shots 'somewhere' in the A-zone and the 3rd shot either C/D or Mike. Not sure if this helps but it was like getting hit with lightning for me. Edited March 22, 2008 by eric nielsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 22, 2008 Author Share Posted March 22, 2008 Eric, that sounds awesome. When I picture top shooters with great follow-through (like that) the names that come to mind are Todd J. and Eric G. They look in control to me during the shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWLAZS Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Eric, I think it sounds like a great way to keep you honest. I find that I tend to rush transitions too much when working on an el prez. The middle target suffers. If I use four or more targets its not so bad. I will put this to use today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Eric, I like that thought and will try it here in a few minutes. I wasn't just joking in my previous post about the Alpha mikes I sometimes recieve, they most certainly do come from zero follow through. One dryfire note. For me I do not use a par time that is unrealistic for a particular drill. I have found even if I can do a draw-2-2-2 reload 2-2-2 super fast(for me) as soon as I set the par time to three seconds the extra rush time almost always results in poorer performance. I would rather work to a better technique than a superfast bumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Carlin Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Follow through does not need recoil it needs focus on the sight. You have to shoot the shot in the gun all the way to the target before you can move to the next target. In dry fire I watch to see if the front sight remains centered and level or the dot sits still after the hammer has completely fallen. If you quit the sights prior to finishing the shot you are going to learn a lesson I heard a lot in 1994 or so: You can NOT miss fast enough to catch up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 In dry fire it is tough to be honest with yourself. It is real easy to zip through a bank of targets and tell yourself that you saw what you needed to see. But, the reality is that we likely are training out some basic fundamentals...by trying to go a bit fast. The idea in shooting is to keep the barrel aligned with the target until the bullet has exited. That requires follow through. And, it is something that I see getting rounded off in dry fire. I sometimes use the simple "extra sight picture" trick. If I need two shots on a dry fire target I will add in a third sight picture. That helps with the follow through, and it helps keep the dry fire times a bit more in line with the reality of live fire. Anybody else have some dry fire tricks and variations? Caught my self doing this today in dryfire(and I Use small targets in the A zone) and corrected it very quickly. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 I didn't think I had anything to contribute to this thead because I never dry-fired more than one shot at a time. (Or in other words I never dry-fired doubles or transitions.) Until "followthrough" came up. What I mean by followthrough is exactly the same for live or dry fire. It's one thing. Visually knowing you held the barrel pointed at the target until ignition (or the hammer clicked). With live fire, anything that happens after that I'd call recoil control. With dry fire, I don't know what I'd call it - "simulated recoil" maybe. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 11, 2008 Author Share Posted June 11, 2008 Brian, It's a bit more entailed than that, for me. In live fire, what I am wanting to see is the front sight lift. For dry fire, I am looking to simulate that. If I go with just the "click"...I miss out on the lock time, the time it takes for the primer to go off, ignite the powder, push the bullet out, and have the bullet travel down the barrel. Granted...that is a minute amount of time with our guns, but that is the follow-through that I look to simulate. It's real easy for me to rip across the targets in a dry-fire El Prez and say to myself that "sure, I saw what I needed to see"...when, I probably am cheating myself a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 That all makes sense Kyle. I can't relate to dry-firing "across targets." For me dry-firing was only for building and honing the techniques of grip, position, draw, and mag changes. But maybe that's just because of how I thought of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 That all makes sense Kyle.I can't relate to dry-firing "across targets." For me dry-firing was only for building and honing the techniques of grip, position, draw, and mag changes. But maybe that's just because of how I thought of it. I think I need to look at it more that way. I've always used dryfire to help with looking to targets and working on transitions. But perhaps I need to spend more time going back to grip, and position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkedshooter Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I started doing dry fire practice in the garage by placing pieces of masking tape at certain points on the garage door, that way I can change them around easy and practice a different string if I want. Thanks to the rest of you guys who have posted more on the subject, I'm still a fairly new shooter to the sport. I shoot mainly open revolver and just shot my first steel match. Using the tape on the garage door helped with my draw speed, target to target transition, and point of aim with my red dot. Hope this can help..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 26, 2010 Author Share Posted August 26, 2010 Bump for...homework assignment... Do your dry-fire like you normally do, and notice how you stand. Are you aggressive, like you would be in a match? Or, are you perhaps lock kneed and standing lazily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Do your dry-fire like you normally do, and notice how you stand. Are you aggressive, like you would be in a match? Or, are you perhaps lock kneed and standing lazily? That is something I've been extremely hard on myself about lately. Nice timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Bump for...homework assignment... Do your dry-fire like you normally do, and notice how you stand. Are you aggressive, like you would be in a match? Or, are you perhaps lock kneed and standing lazily? Make it a goal to dry fire from the exact same body position you shoot from. And nice add to your signature BTW, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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