Mickster Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 There's a lot of great info on this forum regarding the JP LMOS (stainless & aluminum) in the long gas system 18" and 20" rifles. Is there a way to reduce the recoil impulse in the 16" CAR other than a muzzle brake? Has anyone tried the LMOS with associated parts in the Shorty? Or is the nature of the 16" short gas system just impossible to do anything with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyFL Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 (edited) edited Edited January 17, 2006 by SmittyFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 There is, or was a longer gas tube that coiled around the barrel( I think I saw them in Brownells) that was supposed to slow the gas pulse to the same as a full length gas tube, called the pig tail. I have never seen one and cant say if it really works. Anybody? I have just accepted the fact that 16s and shorter are just nasty to shoot.------Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 In brownell's there's a buffer that has sliding weight's on it. I used one in a 16" & it really cut down on recoil inpluse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I meant to include in the previous post that I have a Cavarms lwr with the lightest contour DPMS 16 in barrel, this carbine is just over 6 lbs and is really nasty, it kicks and vibrates like a tuneing fork. I put my alum LMOS in it to try. It was still very harsh and turned into a single shot and I quit fooling with it.-----Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I tried the Counterpoise Recoil kit by Armforte. I think somone else is making the same system now. This is the kit with the sliding weight on the buffer. Worked really well in a 16". Gave it up when I switched to 20" guns. If you're interested I think I've got it laying around still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickster Posted January 19, 2006 Author Share Posted January 19, 2006 I went to the Counterpoise website and per the info there this is the cat's meow for the Shorty AR. The only problem I see is that amongst all the praises there's the statement that says you MUST shoot the Counterpoise equiped rifle right along side an identical non-Counterpoise equiped rifle to tell any difference. So how well does it really work? Benny, does Brownells still sell that buffer with the sliding weights or is it the Counterpoise system you were referring to? I searched their site and couldn't find it under "buffer" or "recoil buffer". I'm curious about that pigtail gas tube too. I saw it at a SHOT show several years ago. The inventor wanted 80 bucks for it. I had to pass. Wonder if it really makes a noticeable difference. Anybody know for sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako92S Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Mickster You can use Enidine hydraulic buffer and JP gas block to reduce recoil impulse. I use same system in my 16" mid length carbine and I'm very happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyBoyElroy Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 There is, or was a longer gas tube that coiled around the barrel( I think I saw them in Brownells) that was supposed to slow the gas pulse to the same as a full length gas tube, called the pig tail. I have never seen one and cant say if it really works. Anybody? I have just accepted the fact that 16s and shorter are just nasty to shoot.------Larry "Pigtail" is what you're thinking of. Pricey at $90 but fixes some gas-system problems. Will have an effect in this application. Link to a source with which I have no connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingerjg Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 (edited) In brownell's there's a buffer that has sliding weight's on it. I used one in a 16" & it really cut down on recoil inpluse. Link for AR-15 AR-RESTOR from BROWNELLS/ENIDINE I, myself, have not used it. I plan on trying it out once i return from OIF. Edited January 22, 2006 by stingerjg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmilk9 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 i have a pigtail gas system and it works well on one of my guns and doesnt work worth a darn on another. Im not sure if these people are still in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huck Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Pigtails work, I have owned one, the gas port may have to be enlarged to make your gun run with one installed. Makes a carbine cycle like a full sized gun, money well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotm4 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 The Enidine buffers work very well. You could also try a PRI Fat Boy gas tube which are available from www.adcofirearms.com for $50, this is a high volume gas tube which really slows the cyclic rate of the carbine length AR to run almost as slow as a rifle length AR. I imagine the ultimate for a carbine would be a good brake (Bennie Cooley), PRI fat boy gas tube and a Enidine buffer. The buffers are also available in rifle sizes. Other things can also be done such as stronger buffer spring by David Tubb and Wolff. Or just plain heavier buffers like the steel 9mm buffers or the CMT H3 buffers which also slow the rate of fire down (even in semi autos) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djeffers Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Mickster You can use Enidine hydraulic buffer and JP gas block to reduce recoil impulse. I use same system in my 16" mid length carbine and I'm very happy with it. Almost a +1. I put the same buffer (above) in mine and put a Miculek comp on at the same time and it made a world of difference! I am happy with it, but I wouldn't mind trying the different gas tube options and the lighter BCG to see if it makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 The Spikes Tactical heavy buffer works well also. It is not the std weights like in the typical buffers but a powder. I run one in a SBR and it smooths it out alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aessu Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I really dont see why anyone is using heavier than standard buffers, especially in a competition rifle. Lightening the mowing parts is a way to go, but you need adjustable gas system before that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 How well does the endine stack up against the MGI buffer which is 2 times the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00bullitt Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 How well does the endine stack up against the MGI buffer which is 2 times the price? I've personally owned 4 Enidine buffers and broke every one of them. Brownells replaced them without issue, but I finally realized they just don't hold up for me. The MGI is built like a tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaTactical Posted September 6, 2010 Share Posted September 6, 2010 How well does the endine stack up against the MGI buffer which is 2 times the price? I've personally owned 4 Enidine buffers and broke every one of them. Brownells replaced them without issue, but I finally realized they just don't hold up for me. The MGI is built like a tank. Well that's two speedy responses from an excellent shooter on this topic...time to order the MGI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2011BLDR Posted September 7, 2010 Share Posted September 7, 2010 The heavy buffers are a band aid to treat issues in the AR carbines that are a result of the inherent limitations of the DI system. They are used to treat the increased cycle timing associated with gas port erosion. The Pigtail and Fat Boy gas tubes will in fact slow the expansion and delivery of gas to the carrier, the overall weight of the carrier is also a factor in this. If it will increase your reliability or reduce it, will depend on the gas port size and how much back-pressure your compensator produces in relation to the combined weight of the carrier and buffer. An adjustable gas block could allow some tuning of this provided the gas port size is large enough and or your compensator produces enough back-pressure. Out. 2011BLDR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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