IPSC standard optic

[jim vaughan]

Does anyone have the approved details of this new division?

IPSC Australia has some details and states that it is to be run as a trial in certain countries for the next year.

The next world shoot in September 2025 could be interesting in this regard.

[WFargo]

Oh man, I thought this was completely dead!  I did not see anything regarding Standard Optics from IPSC lately. 

Very curious to hear what's going on, as I already have a Standard Optics blaster gathering dust in the safe for several months.... 

[Dr Mitch]

I’ve been wondering about it too.  Any links to new information?

[Schutzenmeister]

I can't find anything on IPSC or in IROA on this topic.  If the OP can identify the SOURCE of this rumor it might help in tracking it to ground.  Otherwise, I would classify this as (for the moment) an unsubstantiated rumor.

[perttime]

There is this, apparently from October 2024: https://ipsc.org.au/2024/10/15/restricted-division-trial/

 

"A new division has been accepted by IPSC Australia for trial until the end of next year. The concept is based on the proposed Standard Optics Division that was not accepted at the most recent IPSC meeting, and this trial may be superseded by an announcement from the World Body regarding the Standard Optics Division."

 

... and link to https://ipsc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/ipsc-australia-restricted-division-trial-v4.pdf

 

"The IPSC Australia Section Coordinators have endorsed the following guidelines for a trial division in
the Australian Region only: ... (Division technical specification)

 

edit:

1. Minimum power factor for Major 160
2. Minimum power factor for Minor 125
3. Minimum bullet weight 120 grain for Major

....

Special Conditions
1. A handgun in its ready condition (see Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine inserted or empty cylinder closed, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 250 mm x 150 mm x 45 mm (tolerance of +1 mm, -0 mm). Note that all magazines must comply. (Final dimensions of the box to be advised)
2. The handgun is placed inside the box (and ultimately removed) by the competitor. The slide must be fully forward, and all other features of the handgun, (e.g. slide rackers, thumb rests, grips etc.), must be fully extended or deployed when the gun is seated inside the box. Additionally, telescoping magazines and/or magazines with compressible base pads are expressly prohibited.
3. Only porting of barrels is prohibited. Slides may be ported.
4. Slide, Frame or Rail mount Optic (until advised)
5. Maximum magazine length: 126mm (until the updated box is available)"

Edited November 20 by perttime

[xrayfk05]

More surprising is you can run 9mm Major, not sure if you would want to though

There is a Vihta load for it in the books though, 147 gr. XTP over 6.1grs N105.

 

3N38 will even get you over 100fps faster than you need, missed that at first.

Edited November 20 by xrayfk05

[GrumpyOne]

5 hours ago, xrayfk05 said:

More surprising is you can run 9mm Major, not sure if you would want to though

There is a Vihta load for it in the books though, 147 gr. XTP over 6.1grs N105.

 

3N38 will even get you over 100fps faster than you need, missed that at first.

N105 has been discontinued by VV...

[terrydoc]

It's only approved as a trial division in Australia, not sure if any other country is doing the same. The idea was to gather information about the best way forward, We are hoping that they use common sense and just allow the Std box with a cut out for the optic. 

[perttime]

I'm sure there's many who like the idea of Standard Optics. Just look at what happened when Production Optics was adopted. And then there's those who hate the idea of one more Division. "Things were so much less complicated when there were NO Divisions, or just two."

[StefVanHauwe]

Still weird that they need to do a trial when "Limited Optics" is already "a thing" for a while in USPSA.

[shred]

Only if they wanted to copy USPSA's LO rules which seems unlikely. Every division in IPSC is different than the USPSA counterpart except maybe revolver which I haven't bothered to check. 

 

The point of trials would be to see what works and what doesn't before making it worldwide.  USPSA seems to throw something at the wall and that's that with maybe a poorly-worded "survey" thrown in.

 

 

[jrb06]

6 hours ago, StefVanHauwe said:

Still weird that they need to do a trial when "Limited Optics" is already "a thing" for a while in USPSA.

But it would allow major giving all of those .40 limited guns someplace to go with out new slides and barrels.

[Schutzenmeister]

Apparently an Australian experiment without, it would seem, IPSC approval as yet.

 

FWIW, I will NOT go hacking up my Standard box to accommodate the optics.  I think it may be time to do away with the box anyway.

[Blackstone45]

An IPSC general assembly did just happen a few days ago during the Latin America handgun championships, so maybe something was discussed there?

[terrydoc]

I'd be interested to know the reasons why it wasn't accepted when it was proposed last year

[WFargo]

According to my regional director, only 22 of the total of 77 votes were in favor of the new division in 2023.

Other regions were interested in Brazil's proposal but were not in agreement with the set of rules, and then it apparently became a little bit of a mess, resulting in only 22 regions being in favor. 

[cheby]

On 11/20/2024 at 10:12 AM, xrayfk05 said:

More surprising is you can run 9mm Major, not sure if you would want to though

 

Increased magazine capacity would be the reason

[terrydoc]

14 hours ago, WFargo said:

According to my regional director, only 22 of the total of 77 votes were in favor of the new division in 2023.

Other regions were interested in Brazil's proposal but were not in agreement with the set of rules, and then it apparently became a little bit of a mess, resulting in only 22 regions being in favor. 

Thanks no feedback from our RD

[jim vaughan]

I received feedback from our IPSC organisation that the following will apply on a trial basis for the new optics division.

Minor only, slide mounted red dot, 141.25mm magazines, no box , no compensator, no weights attached forward of the barrel.

Therefore it seems that parity between IPSC and USPSA is getting closer which can only be of benefit to all competitors.

[Blackstone45]

4 hours ago, jim vaughan said:

I received feedback from our IPSC organisation that the following will apply on a trial basis for the new optics division.

Minor only, slide mounted red dot, 141.25mm magazines, no box , no compensator, no weights attached forward of the barrel.

Therefore it seems that parity between IPSC and USPSA is getting closer which can only be of benefit to all competitors.

Awesome, what IPSC region are you out of curiosity?

[terrydoc]

Was sent this the other day, much simpler rule set, so it probably won't get approved.....

Edited Monday at 07:23 PM by terrydoc

[jim vaughan]

I am in South Africa