Swede20 Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 TDean, The bottom rear of the case is blown out and the barrel has a hairline crack in it. I am not 100% certain that it fired out of battery but thats what everyone seems to think. I sent everything to Chris Edwards at glock and I am waiting to hear what he thinks. I was using 5.1gr of VVN320 behind a 180gr west coast copper plated bullet OAL 1.256. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twix Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Redding will seat and crimp at the same time. Would hate to give up my LFCD though. May not be such an issue with bulged brass on the 10mm's as it is on the Short & Wimpy's, though. BTW, did you have that GR connector in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 Negatory on the Ghost Rocket connector twix. Although I will be installing it on the new frame when I get the new trigger from Glockmeister. Thanks for the cautionary note on the barrel guys, I'm thinking the same way. I've measured the inside diameter of the chamber and it's .429. The "tighter" KKM barrel I have measures .427, so I don't think there's any distortion to the factory barrel. The slide is still straight as measured at several points from the from to the back. Can any other G20 owner measure their chamber diameter for comparison? (Edited by TDean at 10:42 pm on Aug. 8, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazz10m Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 TDean and others that have blown Glocks, Did any of you have any mag release button damage? I'm thinking that the blood blister on your finger came from the mag release button. I have a friend who blew a G20 with a double charge of 14 grains of Vitavorii. He was using an Agrip, but cut the Agrip around the off side of the mag release button area so he could change the button out, etc. When the gun blew, the off side end of the mag release button broke off and nailed him in the trigger finger... dislocating his finger... knocking it 90º to the right... (ouch!). He now swares he will never cut around the mag release again. (I told him not to! ) The blast also blew the trigger group out, but the barrel and slide were ok. The frame also had massive cracks in it, but the Agrip caught the majority of the blast coming through the cracks. He did get a nice little hole torched into his thumb knuckle where the hot gasses came through the rear trigger pin hole. He had cut a small hole in the Agrip to access the pin. Magazine blew out the bottom of the gun. He also had burns on the top of his hand where the hot gases blew through the space between the slide and frame. Amazing thing was that the Agrip had on the adhesive side an odd shaped golden colored wavy wedge shape stenciled into it. We later figured out it was from the hot gases that blew though the biggest crack. Apparently the gold color was from the brass "liquifed" from the blast. There was also a mix of unburnt powder and various very small metal and plastic particles stuck to the adhesive. Also quite amazing (to me) was that the width of the "golden wedge" at the top of the Agrip is about an inch or so wide. The pictures he sent me (along with the Agrip) showing the Agrip still attached to the frame, and that golden wedge, seem to indicate that the gun frame really expanded out kind of like a balloon at the top of the frame. I will have to get permission from him to post the pictures. Btw, nice to see so many 10mm fans here! I also have a G20 as my old CCW, and now carry a G29 with hi-cap mag and A&G grip extender as my CCW. In case you don't know, there's a "10mm club" at GlockTalk.com called "The 10 Ring"... not to lead anyone away... as this site of Brian's is GREAT! Right-on Brian! (Edited by Tazz10m at 9:48 pm on Aug. 19, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted August 20, 2002 Author Share Posted August 20, 2002 I hear you Brooks. I like the AGrip product, but I don't use it as a "blast shield" The primary purpose is to enhance the grip. If I were to install it with the intent to minimize the damage when my guns goes Ka-Boom, I should probably be looking at at a different gun to shoot. As I don't expect my gun to KB.... The thing with the material over the mag release just sounds silly to me. I have an aftermarket release that sticks out so far that it would look as if my G20 had a tumor or something under there. It may work very well with the factory release. The best analogy I can think of is putting one of those fuzzy toilet seat covers on your brake pedal,..who would do that? The release is way too important of a device to cover up. I'll be ordering some black AGrip from Brownells soon, the denim blue stuff gets dirty too quick! Yes the mag release broke in two. The trigger was missing (no damage to finger) and the 1" long blister on the outside of my shooting hand index finger came from the gases expelling through the frame/slide gap. These gasses also pushed the disconnector tab on the trigger bar to where it came to rest on the OUTSIDE of the slide! Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 Kind of interesting the various philosophies regarding the covering (or not) of certain areas when applying Agrip. On my Glocks, I choose to cover the mag release button on the depress side, but cut around the opening on the egress side. I also cut around the slide release lever and punch a hole for the trigger pin to ease disassembly for cleaning. Unlike some Glock shooters, I do clean my guns every now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazz10m Posted August 20, 2002 Share Posted August 20, 2002 I never thought of Agrip as a blast shield either, until i got a call from my friend in Norway who started the conversation by saying; "I will NEVER cut around the mag release again... I will NEVER cut around the mag release again..." Cracked me up, because i tried so hard to tell him at the SHOT Show that he really didn't need to... but he insisted... as i was the one putting the Agrip on his gun for him at the Brooks Tactical booth. When he sent me the pictures it was really obvious that the areas of his hand that were injured were the areas not protected by the Agrip. The Agrip also soaked up a bit of the shock of the blast too. I guess it's just nice to know, and a little comforting, to have the blast protection as a little side benefit. TDean, i personally would cover the extended mag release and just tell people when they ask; "Id'z nodt a tumah..." in my best Arnold Schwartzenager voice. Hey, i thought you intended to use that denim colored Agrip only for a color coordinated fashion statement? Have you tried washing it? It should come clean pretty easy with a little dish soap. Cpty1, are you telling me that we're supposed to clean our Glocks??? I only cut around the slide release lever if it is binding... never have needed to on my own guns... and only cut a pin hole when it's time. I never cut around the mag release button on either side because it is never needed. Works much better covered. If i ever need to remove the mag release, i just peel the Agrip down. I've also done that for access to the rear pin, but typically i just cut a little hole on each side like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester Posted August 21, 2002 Share Posted August 21, 2002 My 21 kaboomed last year 3/01. Althougth Glock warranty repaired it, I just never felt the same shooting it. Sold soon after I got it back. There is nothing really like having your hands tingle & numb at the same time. I was pulling pieces of plastic out of my hands for a few days after words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 I can't figure out why people only blow up the .40-and bigger Glocks. You never hear about the 9mm models kabooming. You think maybe it has to do with case capacity? E.g., a double charge spills over and becomes immediately obvious in 9mm but a double charge of fast powder won't even fill half a .45 case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted August 22, 2002 Share Posted August 22, 2002 Erik - Bingo! You're a winner. It's virtually impossible to *accidentally* double charge a 9mm. (Although, I'm sure Clark has done it 100's of time intentionally.) E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grassy knoll Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 i just saw a KB at the Quebec provincials on Sunday, Glock 22 may have been a double charge, ammo was being loaded with an RCBS 2000 but a double charge would be hard to come by?? trigger blown out, barrel split, slide bulged and various other little pieces on the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted September 7, 2002 Share Posted September 7, 2002 Y'know, many years ago I blew two casings in a 1911 .45 running Pachmayrs. The magazine in both cases was trashed....and absolutely no other damage to the gun. Pound the Pachmayrs back flat, stick another mag in the gun and drive on. There's something to be said for having a steel frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted September 7, 2002 Share Posted September 7, 2002 Get on 'em Duane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 7, 2002 Share Posted September 7, 2002 ...and there is something to be said for shooting 45. Maybe it should be mandatory. (Did I just say mandatory??? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted September 7, 2002 Share Posted September 7, 2002 That ol' 21,000 psi max SAAMI spec IS comforting, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazz10m Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 Knowing that my 180 grain 10mm bullet only drops about 5 inches in a hundred yards of travel is comforting. Knowing that my 10mm will punch thru barriers that most other pistol and revolver calibers won't, is comforting. Knowing that my 10mm which has all that extra capability, also has a capacity of 18, without a reload, is comforting. Having an Agrip on my gun is pretty comforting too... hehehe... btw... Hi Duane, long time no see... where ya been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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