BARRYJ Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 What is the best distance to sight in a dot? I'm about to mount the first dot I ever own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtuns Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, BARRYJ said: What is the best distance to sight in a dot? I'm about to mount the first dot I ever own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dapribek Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 I sight mine in at our indoor range, about 50 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARRYJ Posted August 17, 2023 Author Share Posted August 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, dtuns said: Good info. Didn't realize your poi would go up at distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Top of the dot impact at 18 yards. Keeps them in the A-zone out past 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I always try to sight in at 50 yds. Any error at that range is minimal at average ranges shot. 8 min dot bullet hits inside of dot at all ranges. Slight error on a close range sight in is large at the occasional 50 yd target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jnex95 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I watched a few videos when I first got into dots. Sage dynamics and the humble marksmen’s seemed to be the most informative. A 25 yard zero is a good all around set up. But for most uspsa matches a 15-18 yard zero will work just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Use a ballistics calculator. I sight all my Open guns at 25 yards. At 1525fps, POI would be too high at distance if I sighted in closer. Most of my other guns are sighted in at 25 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximis228 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Most will say something between 15-25 yards. I would just zero for the hardest shots your typically see. If you only shoot indoors, then 10-15 will work fine. If you shoot a lot outdoors and your local clubs have larger bays, then 25 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 3 hours ago, zzt said: Use a ballistics calculator. I sight all my Open guns at 25 yards. At 1525fps, POI would be too high at distance if I sighted in closer. Most of my other guns are sighted in at 25 yards. + 1. 25-yards is perfect for USPSA/SCSA, ICORE, IDPA, regardless of what gun & load you're using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 I just use a 15 yard zero and just know how to hold the dot at a headbox at 25yards+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 1:15 PM, GOF said: + 1. 25-yards is perfect for USPSA/SCSA, ICORE, IDPA, regardless of what gun & load you're using. Most people can't shoot groups well enough at 25 yards to zero there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I was doing 10 yards and moved to 25 on GGIs advise. Like Waktasz said, shooting small groups at 25 off a rest isn't easy for most (me included). But I know if it's shooting < 2" at 25 yards, it's good enough for any USPSA.IDPA targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, waktasz said: Most people can't shoot groups well enough at 25 yards to zero there. It is easy for most from a good rest. Even if it takes more than three shots, you eventually find the center. Adjust as necessary. Then fire free style to see if the POI is the same as off a rest. If you have trouble with that, zero at 15. Make POI 1" under POA and you are good at 25 for a pistol with a dot. If using irons, 1/2" below POA. I still prefer 25. All my Open pistols wear frame mounted dots. If I'm dead on at 25, I'm 1" low at 15. Very slightly less low with slide mounted dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, zzt said: It is easy for most from a good rest. Even if it takes more than three shots, you eventually find the center. Adjust as necessary. Then fire free style to see if the POI is the same as off a rest. I don't know, I think sometimes we think things are easy because we shoot all the time. I was helping a friend zero his optic a few weeks back. This guy is a NRA pistol instructor, and a CCW instructor. Those are credentials that mean little in competition circles but he's still a better shot then most of his students. Yet he could not get repeatable results from a rest at 25 yards off the bench. I'd bet there are a lot of C class shooters out there who will still struggle to zero at 25. I now zero at 25 from a bench. The gun needs to be able to print 5 shot groups into a 2" circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 The difference between a 15 and 25 zero is almost nothing though. Anything from 15 to 25 should be fine. I usually tell people I zero at 18.5...meters. Their heads explode. It doesn't really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konkapot Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 "Meters" sounds WAY more tactical though. I tell people I measure in furlongs or cubits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 What amazes me is the number of shooters ,some quite good who zero their guns, or try to, off hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, barry said: What amazes me is the number of shooters ,some quite good who zero their guns, or try to, off hand. I used to. For the longest time I zeroed at about 18 yards off hand on the head box. Then I'd confirm at like 20-25, figuring if I can hold a head box at that distance I can make most anything I'd see in a match. *I picked 18 mainly due to the bay I use and that I can shoot pretty well at that distance didn't hurt. I use 25 from a bench now in part because the benches are 25 from the berm. I like the bench better even though it's more effort. This way if the gun just sucks I know pretty quick. I recently ditched a gun due to groups it was printing at 25 off a bench. Edited August 23, 2023 by Racinready300ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, barry said: What amazes me is the number of shooters ,some quite good who zero their guns, or try to, off hand. I have never shot my guns from a rest or bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Well Matt for sure, I know it works for you but many people sight in to their flinch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 51 minutes ago, barry said: Well Matt for sure, I know it works for you but many people sight in to their flinch. This^^^^^. Even if you zero from a rest, you still have to shoot freestyle. Believe me. I coach enough people to know POI isn't always the same. One guy in particular dumps the trigger. He is going to shoot under no matter what. He can't seem to cure the problem, so he sights in to compensate for the problem. Nothing wrong with that. The idea is to hit what you aim at. How you shoot from a rest also makes a big difference. For competition shooting, standing with your wrists on a rest is closest to freestyle. If any part of the gun is on the rest, there will be a difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, zzt said: This^^^^^. Even if you zero from a rest, you still have to shoot freestyle. Believe me. I coach enough people to know POI isn't always the same. One guy in particular dumps the trigger. He is going to shoot under no matter what. He can't seem to cure the problem, so he sights in to compensate for the problem. Nothing wrong with that. The idea is to hit what you aim at. How you shoot from a rest also makes a big difference. For competition shooting, standing with your wrists on a rest is closest to freestyle. If any part of the gun is on the rest, there will be a difference between the two. Excellent advice! Dead on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlsccsfa Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 On 8/23/2023 at 1:56 PM, zzt said: This^^^^^. Even if you zero from a rest, you still have to shoot freestyle. Believe me. I coach enough people to know POI isn't always the same. One guy in particular dumps the trigger. He is going to shoot under no matter what. He can't seem to cure the problem, so he sights in to compensate for the problem. Nothing wrong with that. The idea is to hit what you aim at. How you shoot from a rest also makes a big difference. For competition shooting, standing with your wrists on a rest is closest to freestyle. If any part of the gun is on the rest, there will be a difference between the two. Yep, if they gun touches anything other than your hands, POI will be slightly different than when you shoot off hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDRIDER Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 60 ft here. Always off hand. Dont recall adjusting for flinch, but seams reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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