RadarLuv Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Mini Rifle looks like a blast. Only match I can find in the USA is in Utah which I'm sure is great but I am in Illinois. Few videos on YouTube but its all in the UK. Is nobody playing this in the states? Just not enough interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 So IPSC with .22 rifles? That is a hoot, I have been saying we were headed that way for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarLuv Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) Looks like some fun fast shooting similar uspsa. I like shooting rifle, pcc is an option but these little .22lr AR's are just as fun, and the guys over seas are really tricking them out. Edited February 14, 2023 by RadarLuv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 One of my local clubs runs an outlaw match with no steel on 5th Sundays. A few people shoot 22s. Most of us still shoot real guns though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarLuv Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 minute ago, RJH said: One of my local clubs runs an outlaw match with no steel on 5th Sundays. A few people shoot 22s. Most of us still shoot real guns though Lol on the real guns, a challenge is a challenge regardless of caliber. Not trying to start a caliber snob discussion, but .22 is kind of a gateway caliber so the potential for new shooters is high. That seems like a win for most any practical shooting you do. As far as I can tell they have world shoots for ipsc mini rifle, just like pcc, shotgun, and rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 minute ago, RadarLuv said: Lol on the real guns, a challenge is a challenge regardless of caliber. Not trying to start a caliber snob discussion, but .22 is kind of a gateway caliber so the potential for new shooters is high. That seems like a win for most any practical shooting you do. As far as I can tell they have world shoots for ipsc mini rifle, just like pcc, shotgun, and rifle. Yeah, I wasn't trying to be a caliber snob there, that came off the wrong way LOL. I just meant most of us just shot our normal stuff, not 22s. Mostly I was trying to get at you can run an outlaw match and do that at your own club. Especially if it's paper only. At the one here, people shoot their normal stuff, ARS, aks, m1a's, garands, full auto, 22s, they do a two-gun division, it's pretty fun. It might be a way for you to get some mini rifle stuff started in your area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 17 hours ago, RadarLuv said: Few videos on YouTube but its all in the UK. It started in the UK after the handgun ban in 1997, it was basically the only viable option at the time. It had many advantages especially with cheap ammo - and unlike shotgun and rifle - could be hosted in UK's many indoor ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarLuv Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 Seems like if you want to shoot .22 in competition for the usa its steel challenge which personally I love the speed but hate the stand and deliver part, or NRL 22 which is fun but also very little movement. Outlaws are fun and all but looking for more structure and a chance to compete at world level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 So the elevator pitch is "PCC with .22 rifles". Same-same for targets, but switch to thinner steel? Much as I don't love some of how USPSA PCC ended up, at least it could mostly 'drop-in' (some fitting required) to USPSA pistol matches, which helped with adoption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarLuv Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 8 hours ago, shred said: So the elevator pitch is "PCC with .22 rifles". Same-same for targets, but switch to thinner steel? Much as I don't love some of how USPSA PCC ended up, at least it could mostly 'drop-in' (some fitting required) to USPSA pistol matches, which helped with adoption. Right, it would be range friendly with the right targets. Not really looking to piggy back a uspsa match, but have a stand alone event. You could easily enough include .22 pistols so might draw some guys from the steel challenge crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Two of my IDPA clubs put in Panicdemic-Supplychain relief divisions for rimfires. I have had a ball popping away with my Nelson Conversion and it got a lot of Glock 44s, and AR22s, and some 10-22s out to shoot. One range has resumed using heavy steel so although rimfires are still listed as an option, they are not competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarLuv Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 If anyone is interested this is a club near me that got me thinking along the IPSC mini gun lines. It's an outlaw match but follows uspsa rules and includes .22 pistols. On practiscore search Darnall action 22 cal league In Bloomington IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Setting up an running an IPSC MR Match is not as hard as you want to think ... 1 - USPSA is the US Region for IPSC ... Therefore, any USPSA club is authorized to run an IPSC Rules match 2 - Get a copy of the IPSC MR Rules and read through them ... You'll find it's not terribly different from USPSA Rules 3 - Have your club design and run an IPSC Rules MR match Not that complex! And, as a bonus, the ammo is WAY cheaper than anything else we do!!! BTW ... I checked with Foley when he was president and he said go for it ... Just use IPSC Rules! Edited February 17, 2023 by Schutzenmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarLuv Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Schutzenmeister said: Setting up an running an IPSC MR Match is not as hard as you want to think ... 1 - USPSA is the US Region for IPSC ... Therefore, any USPSA club is authorized to run an IPSC Rules match 2 - Get a copy of the IPSC MR Rules and read through them ... You'll find it's not terribly different from USPSA Rules 3 - Have your club design and run an IPSC Rules MR match Not that complex! And, as a bonus, the ammo is WAY cheaper than anything else we do!!! BTW ... I checked with Foley when he was president and he said go for it ... Just use IPSC Rules! I was thinking that it could be done easy enough, thanks for the info. Do you know if there is still a world shoot for mini rifle, and how many matches would need to be held to qualify for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 2:07 PM, RadarLuv said: I was thinking that it could be done easy enough, thanks for the info. Do you know if there is still a world shoot for mini rifle, and how many matches would need to be held to qualify for it? Absolutely! It's scheduled for something like the 2d and 3rd weeks of October in the Czech Republic. (Sorry, don't have the EXACT dates in front of me, but it is that timeframe.) As to securing a slot ... Those are awarded to each region by IPSC. (The US is a region.) You will have to contact HQ USPSA to see what their criteria are for securing a slot. (You might actually want to start with your AD.) Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarLuv Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 Thanks for the info that helps a lot. Will start looking into this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip-Santos Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 12:50 AM, RadarLuv said: If anyone is interested this is a club near me that got me thinking along the IPSC mini gun lines. It's an outlaw match but follows uspsa rules and includes .22 pistols. On practiscore search Darnall action 22 cal league In Bloomington IL How did this match go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 On 2/15/2023 at 6:09 PM, shred said: So the elevator pitch is "PCC with .22 rifles". Same-same for targets, but switch to thinner steel? Much as I don't love some of how USPSA PCC ended up, at least it could mostly 'drop-in' (some fitting required) to USPSA pistol matches, which helped with adoption. Not really. PCC is like Handgun with a small rifle. Mini Rifle is like Rifle, but on shorter distances and smaller targets. From IPSC Mini Rifle Rules: 1.2.1.6 The recommended balance for a Level III or higher IPSC Mini Rifle match with regards to target distance is: 40% of all targets to be less than 25 meters, 40% to be between 25 and 40 meters and 20% to be between 40 and 120 meters. 1.2.1.7 The maximum target distance for IPSC Mini Targets used in IPSC Mini Rifle matches is 80 meters. 1.2.1.8 Where the physical dimensions of a range preclude the siting of targets at distances greater than 50 meters, it is recommended that the IPSC Micro Target be used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarLuv Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 10/25/2023 at 2:57 PM, Philip-Santos said: How did this match go? You know what it went well. Also been shooting a practical, steel only, match in indiana. It is a very good time. https://practiscore.com/wvrpc-rimfire-falling-steel-11-5-2023/register Last one this weekend till spring. Also saw the 2025 IPSC mini rifle world shoot will be in Czech Republic. Now to figure out how to qualify and get a ticket to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip-Santos Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Outstanding! USPSA is your ticket to IPSC competition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Yep. IPSC lets the Regions, in case of USA: USPSA, decide who can go. For example 2024 Rifle World Shoot in Finland: """""""""" I would like to shoot the match. Can you give me a slot? No. You must apply for a slot from the Regional Director of your Region of residence. """""""""" https://2024rws.worldshoot.org/faqs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 10/26/2023 at 1:34 AM, perttime said: Not really. PCC is like Handgun with a small rifle. Mini Rifle is like Rifle, but on shorter distances and smaller targets. But yes and no. Both IPSC PCC and IPSC Mini Rifle rule books are derived from the IPSC Rifle rule book. And there is PCC rule On 10/26/2023 at 1:34 AM, perttime said: From IPSC Mini Rifle Rules: 1.2.1.6 The recommended balance for a Level III or higher IPSC Mini Rifle match with regards to target distance is: 40% of all targets to be less than 25 meters, 40% to be between 25 and 40 meters and 20% to be between 40 and 120 meters. 1.2.1.7 The maximum target distance for IPSC Mini Targets used in IPSC Mini Rifle matches is 80 meters. 1.2.1.8 Where the physical dimensions of a range preclude the siting of targets at distances greater than 50 meters, it is recommended that the IPSC Micro Target be used For comparison - same rules for IPSC PCC (note the bold part I highlighted): 1.2.1.6 The recommended balance for an IPSC Pistol Caliber Carbine match with regards to target distance is: 90% of all targets to be less than 50 meters and 10% to be between 50 and 100 meters. However, this does not apply if the same courses of fire are being used for an IPSC Pistol Caliber Carbine match held in conjunction with that of another discipline (e.g. handgun). 1.2.1.7 The maximum target distance for IPSC Mini Targets used in IPSC Pistol Caliber Carbine matches is 50 meters. 1.2.1.8 Where the physical dimensions of a range preclude the siting of targets at distances greater than 50 meters, it is recommended that the IPSC Micro Target be used (see Appendix B5). So, the PCC match can be co-located not only with a Handgun match but also with an IPSC Mini Rifle match. Then the recommended balance would not apply on the shared courses of fire. And there is this. The same range where the Extreme Euro Open is being run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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