OPENB Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I have a buddy that swears that phrase was an official command, maybe late 90s or early 2000s. Anyone remember that far back? I remember when LAMR was changed to MR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I think it went along with "Let er rip taterchip" I think slide forward might have been in the first IDPA rule book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 kinda like "load and make ready"? "gun clear"? "if clear"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Circa 1995 it was officially "Gun Clear, Hammer Down, Holster". I've got some older rulebooks, but not right to hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Same here, I'll have to pull up my old rule books but I remember that being used a lot back in the 90's. I just can't confirm if it was official or not, I did a lot of outlaw matches back then so I may be confusing it with those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davsco Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 from a 2013 post here on enos: And, it's not "slide forward, hammer down" anymore... It's "If you are finished, unload and show clear. If clear, hammer down and holster." i'm sure 'slide forward' was part of the rules as i've been trying to get it OUT of my end of stage sequence ever since... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Here's lots of the old rule books: I don't see that it was ever a RO command, but it was part of the range command rules for a while--- "GUN CLEAR, HAMMER DOWN, HOLSTER" - The Range Officer must visually inspect the chamber of each firearm and instruct the individual competitor, with this command, to holster in the following condition: Self·loaders - slide forward , hammer down and magazine well empty. Revolvers - cylinder closed and empty (no cases) and hammer down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 2 hours ago, OPENB said: I have a buddy that swears that phrase was an official command, maybe late 90s or early 2000s. Anyone remember that far back? I remember when LAMR was changed to MR. No, not in USPSA/IPSC. Neither was "Shooter Ready". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhittin Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Joe4d said: I think it went along with "Let er rip taterchip" I think slide forward might have been in the first IDPA rule book It’s baaaack! 2022 IDPA rule book. If clear, slide forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, jwhittin said: It’s baaaack! 2022 IDPA rule book. If clear, slide forward Interesting, but this the the IPSC/USPSA Rules forum so not relevant to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Foggy memory time, I do recall that maybe from my RO class back in 85, we also declared the gun clear back then before, slide forward, hammer down, holster I’m sure revolvers and range lawyers had a hand in changing the range commands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) I started as an IPSC RO in early 2000's and 'slide forward was not an official range command although it was used by some. The 'If clear" on the unload was bought in to put the onus on the competitor if there was an AD on the hammer down command the RO couldn't be at blame as the competitor failed to check his own gun. My understanding anyway. Edited January 31, 2023 by terrydoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPENB Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, terrydoc said: I started as an IPSC RO in early 2000's and 'slide forward was not an official range command although it was used by some. The 'If clear" on the unload was bought in to put the onus on the competitor if there was an AD on the hammer down command the RO couldn't be at blame as the competitor failed to check his own gun. My understanding anyway. Yes, I remember when they added the "if" to the ULSC commands. I think it was the same time that LAMR was changed to MR. Jay instructed my class, and he gave us laminated cards with the range commands, but that was 20+ years ago, so it's long gone. In the late 90's we had a local guy that liked to say "Stoke it up and make it lethal, cowboy". I also remember LAMR was changed to MR because on an unloaded start, the RO would have just given a range command counter to the actual start condition, confusing non-English speakers. Or at least, that was the explanation given. And, "if clear, hammer down, holster" encompassed all the divisions, including revolver (at the time). If Jay Worden sees this, maybe he can refresh my memory. I did not shoot IDPA, so that's not what I was thinking, but since they came from our sport, maybe they brought it with them. Edited January 31, 2023 by OPENB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 10 hours ago, ChuckS said: Interesting, but this the the IPSC/USPSA Rules forum so not relevant to this thread. Isn't it though? I think a lot of the issues with wrong commands can easily stem from shooters going back and forth between the two games. "if clear slide forward" has been a range command in IDPA as long as I've been doing it. I have rule books going back pretty far. 2005 it was "slide down" 2013 to present it's been "slide forward" best I can tell. Personally I use USPSA commands at IDPA matches because I like them better. But I could see if I did that a lot some people might start to think uspsa command were IDPA commands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I flipped through rulebooks from the 1980s through 1990s and it's always "Gun Clear, Hammer Down, Holster", with Revo shooters assumed to be intelligent enough to do the right thing for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltdmstr Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) Here's the Seventh Ed. - 1995 rule book (from my first RO course). Edited January 31, 2023 by ltdmstr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I've been in the sport 30 years now. It has NEVER been an official range command during that period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 11 hours ago, OPENB said: Yes, I remember when they added the "if" to the ULSC commands. I think it was the same time that LAMR was changed to MR. Jay instructed my class, and he gave us laminated cards with the range commands, but that was 20+ years ago, so it's long gone. In the late 90's we had a local guy that liked to say "Stoke it up and make it lethal, cowboy". I also remember LAMR was changed to MR because on an unloaded start, the RO would have just given a range command counter to the actual start condition, confusing non-English speakers. Or at least, that was the explanation given. And, "if clear, hammer down, holster" encompassed all the divisions, including revolver (at the time). If Jay Worden sees this, maybe he can refresh my memory. I did not shoot IDPA, so that's not what I was thinking, but since they came from our sport, maybe they brought it with them. Make ready is an addition to LAMR for unloaded starts. If its a loaded star the LAMR command is appropriate. (IPSC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayWord Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) I have a copy of the 1984 rule book and it was not in there. I cannot say before then. It has never been a proper range command as long as I have been certified and I got certified in 1988. However, I saw a copy of a card issued as part of the shooters safety check where it was on that card. However, I do not know what time frame it was from. It old when I saw it. My club used to have you do a shooters safety check before your first match. I started shooting in 1984. Jay Edited February 2, 2023 by JayWord spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 4:38 PM, Schutzenmeister said: I've been in the sport 30 years now. It has NEVER been an official range command during that period of time. I am with, Schutzenmeister. Long as I been in this sport (And that is like forever)we have said if you are finished, unload and slow clear, At that point, they would say slide forward( or just "slide"), hammer down, and holster. and they still say that today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) On 1/30/2023 at 4:46 PM, Joe4d said: I think it went along with "Let er rip taterchip" I think slide forward might have been in the first IDPA rule book I really miss hearing "Gas 'em up Cowboy!" RIP Mike Voigt. Nolan Edited February 3, 2023 by Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 17 hours ago, Nolan said: I really miss hearing "Gas 'em up Cowboy!" RIP Mike Voigt. Nolan "Poke it and Stoke it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Have heard "shut it, shoot it and put it away"...... Was a different guy to the one that used to say "Gas it up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 2/4/2023 at 8:14 AM, shred said: "Poke it and Stoke it" LOL! Good times! Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braxton1 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 When 1911's ruled the World: "Stoke it, Stroke it, Flick it, and Stick it" was my favorite.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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