DukeNiemand Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) Hi folks, I'm curious if anyone has had side by side experience with the new crop of reportedly most effective 223 comps. I currently have a Hypertap and an original SJC Titan, and have been considering upgrading to a Titan Extreme or Apollo Max, but haven't yet found any info that compares the two. Of course, would be also happy to hear about any other brake you think should also be considered. Cheers. Edited January 4, 2023 by DukeNiemand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emjbe Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 hipercomp 223. I watched their YouTube and figured I'd give it a try. I'm glad I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNiemand Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 Thanks. Looks like they don't sell their 3 gun brakes anymore unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) UM Tactical breaks works great and adjustable, expensive, but I won it at a prize table. Edited January 6, 2023 by frankge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNiemand Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 3 hours ago, frankge said: UM Tactical breaks works great and adjustable, expensive, but I won it at a prize table. Hmm that one looks very interesting. Not sure if it would be as effective as the popular 3 gun brakes (ports look relatively small) but the modular design is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 No experience with the new Titan. Own the Hypertap and Apollo Max, prefer the Hypertap. Smaller, slightly less recoil, tunable and way less blast. But I also have the Unrivaled brake. Very tunable and right with the Hypertap in recoil reduction and blast, but way bigger/heavier. All of the above are more effective than the last generation brakes, of which I have many, but only if you have a keen sense for such things. 99% of shooters I hand my rifles to can't tell any difference. The M4-72's rate very high in effectiveness, but it's also the only brake I've taken out of service and probably won't ever use again. And I'm not blast sensitive, it's just that horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNiemand Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 58 minutes ago, TonytheTiger said: No experience with the new Titan. Own the Hypertap and Apollo Max, prefer the Hypertap. Smaller, slightly less recoil, tunable and way less blast. But I also have the Unrivaled brake. Very tunable and right with the Hypertap in recoil reduction and blast, but way bigger/heavier. All of the above are more effective than the last generation brakes, of which I have many, but only if you have a keen sense for such things. 99% of shooters I hand my rifles to can't tell any difference. The M4-72's rate very high in effectiveness, but it's also the only brake I've taken out of service and probably won't ever use again. And I'm not blast sensitive, it's just that horrible. Thanks for the info! That's kind of surprising to hear that the Hypertap is more effective at reducing recoil than the Apollo Max, despite the latter being much larger profile. Testament to the Hypertap's design I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 On 1/6/2023 at 3:36 PM, DukeNiemand said: Thanks for the info! That's kind of surprising to hear that the Hypertap is more effective at reducing recoil than the Apollo Max, despite the latter being much larger profile. Testament to the Hypertap's design I guess. Yeah, kinda surprising, but the more brakes I test the more I think a bowl shaped baffle surface is more effective at capturing gasses than the aggressively back-angled but flat baffle surfaces of brakes like the Apollo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Of the rear gassing brakes Ive tried, the Hypertap is good. I stick to my JP comp for my game gun though. I am not a fan of the distracting concussive nature of the Hypertap. Side by side I can tell no difference in shooting performance, but I need to blow my nose after shooting the Hypertap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 7 hours ago, mpeltier said: Of the rear gassing brakes Ive tried, the Hypertap is good. I stick to my JP comp for my game gun though. I am not a fan of the distracting concussive nature of the Hypertap. Side by side I can tell no difference in shooting performance, but I need to blow my nose after shooting the Hypertap. Just goes to show our setups, techniques and bodies are all different. I find the Hypertap to be minimally conclusive, even compared to flat baffled brakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TonytheTiger said: Just goes to show our setups, techniques and bodies are all different. I find the Hypertap to be minimally conclusive, even compared to flat baffled brakes. Yeah, minimally concussive is a big window. I suppose it's just a matter of how much you're willing to put up with. Set up, technique and bodies aside, the Hypertap will clear ammo boxes and spent cases off the bench. (I can only imagine RO'ing for someone shooting one) My JP has never done that and going back and forth with the same gun and the two muzzle devices has shown no advantage in my case. So I choose the JP for my game gun and leave the Hypertap to other guns. I actually have 3 of each on different rifles/carbines. I have tried others and it's the only rear blasting comp I've decided to keep. Just not on my 3-gun rifle. A friend of mine has the area 419 break on his AR. Its kinda in between. Almost as much blast as the Hypertap. Edited to add: And just yesterday we were doing some sight in work here at my range. My son took a few shots (Hypertap) and something flew right by my face. I was about 4 ft behind him to the right. I looked around and didn't see anything. Thought it was my imagination. when we were packing up I went to re install my turret caps on my Razor and one was MIA.........oh crap, that's what flew in front of my face. Found it about 15 ft away. Lol Edited January 8, 2023 by mpeltier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNiemand Posted January 8, 2023 Author Share Posted January 8, 2023 Agree blast is definitely a matter of personal preference/tolerance. I don't mind my Hypertap at all, and I have it on a 16" barrel. It can get pretty blasty, especially indoors, but you get used to it after a few shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 I suppose I should clarify when I say "no concussion" I mean no concussion to the shooter. I don't really care what happens to the side of me. Although the Hypertap is quite a bit less awful when shooting inside tunnels and next to walls and such than the Apollo also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 1/6/2023 at 1:00 PM, DukeNiemand said: Hmm that one looks very interesting. Not sure if it would be as effective as the popular 3 gun brakes (ports look relatively small) but the modular design is impressive. mine is with a carbine gas system and adjustable block - shoots pretty flat and tame. Great fireballs with H335. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertia Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Angled is always more effective. Lots of people like their straight baffle brakes but they haven't objectively tested them against these new designs. I have tried about a dozen I really like the hypertap. Also check out the apa answer it's also very good and comes with the top ports tapped with screws which I love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 21 hours ago, inertia said: Also check out the apa answer it's also very good and comes with the top ports tapped with screws which I love On my first Hypertap I drilled the holes out and tapped them for plugs, effectively copying the Answer design. I wanted to be able to test and reverse any changes I made. My next Hypertap I just drilled them out since I knew what I wanted at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emjbe Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) On 1/5/2023 at 11:29 PM, DukeNiemand said: Thanks. Looks like they don't sell their 3 gun brakes anymore unfortunately. This is the one I tried and like it. used it in the last match and it was solid: https://www.hiperfire.com/product/hipercomp-556c/ this is the video where they refer to their previous brakes and how they tested. Granted that it's marketing ... but it's interesting to see the other comps (towards the end of the video). Even if you discount the obvious bias, I think it's interesting to look at the results of each brake on the chart to see the relative recoil mitigation. Their test was very similar to the TTAG Muzzle device shootout done a few years back (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/556-muzzle-device-shootout/) Edited January 19, 2023 by emjbe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertia Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 9:51 PM, emjbe said: This is the one I tried and like it. used it in the last match and it was solid: https://www.hiperfire.com/product/hipercomp-556c/ this is the video where they refer to their previous brakes and how they tested. Granted that it's marketing ... but it's interesting to see the other comps (towards the end of the video). Even if you discount the obvious bias, I think it's interesting to look at the results of each brake on the chart to see the relative recoil mitigation. Their test was very similar to the TTAG Muzzle device shootout done a few years back (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/556-muzzle-device-shootout/) Keep in mind that today none of these brakes would be in the top 5 against the most modern designs like hypertap, answer, appolo, new sjc etc. On the same tests. But the consumer wins because these types of tests pushed a lot of innovation in just the last few years. Remember everyone loves their brake (trigger, barrel, scope etc.) if it's the first nice one they have had. But there are a few of us on here who have spent litteral fortunes tying all of it because its fun and we can. That comparative info is what you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12glocks Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I am using Armalite tunable comps now and they shoot very flat. I think some type of tunable comp is where it's at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emjbe Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 7:28 PM, inertia said: Keep in mind that today none of these brakes would be in the top 5 against the most modern designs like hypertap, answer, appolo, new sjc etc. On the same tests. But the consumer wins because these types of tests pushed a lot of innovation in just the last few years. Remember everyone loves their brake (trigger, barrel, scope etc.) if it's the first nice one they have had. But there are a few of us on here who have spent litteral fortunes tying all of it because its fun and we can. That comparative info is what you need. I like the scientific tests mostly as a way to help direct that small fortune ... I've got a box full of disappointing brakes also :-). For me the comparison point that is missing is accuracy. My favorite competition brake right now is actually not on the list - it's the EC Tuner brake. It's in my top 5% for recoil mitigation (even though it's a 6.5mm) and gives me the capability to tune the barrel. It's overkill for 3gun but adds just a little bit of confidence to speed up target transitions. And it's not obnoxiously loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowmisses Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Just for reference, this is what the current and former IPSC World Champions (both Standard and Open) are and have been using: https://www.aawee.fi/ammunta-ja-aseet/finntac-223-suujarru-x28unef-musta/p/403071/ Altough 2017 Open division was won with a modified JP eliminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darqusoull13 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 On 1/3/2023 at 11:11 PM, DukeNiemand said: Hi folks, JP Recoil Eliminator is still the most effective. 2/3 of Open seems to be that brake. For 1"x3" rule divisions I like the 3 JP 3 port. Very effective without the borderline brain damaging concussion on some brakes nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 I've always had good luck with the J.P. comp, but haven't tried their 3 port comp. I would suspect it is a great comp. I will probably pick one up as my original design comp is just about chewed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNiemand Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Darqusoull13 said: JP Recoil Eliminator is still the most effective. 2/3 of Open seems to be that brake. For 1"x3" rule divisions I like the 3 JP 3 port. Very effective without the borderline brain damaging concussion on some brakes nowadays. There are a number of breaks that have been shown to be more effective than the eliminator in controlled testing - SJC Titan, and PA M4-72. Newer designs like the Hypertap or Apollo Max should be even more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darqusoull13 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 @DukeNiemand I'm sure you've got something on youtube or wherever as your "controlled study." It's neither statistically significant, nor sufficient to encompass the wide array of variables in play. At matches the consensus most effective has been and continues to be the Recoil Eliminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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