Murzikrv Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) Looking for any tips how to improve. Edited November 5, 2022 by Murzikrv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furrly Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, Murzikrv said: Looking for any tips how to improve. This form is like Google, go to the search engine type in what your looking for and a wealth of information will come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 39 minutes ago, Murzikrv said: Looking for any tips how to improve. Youtube is full of videos on the subject from successful shooters/trainers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefVanHauwe Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Move your eyes before you move the gun. Actually have a spot you're aiming at vs the whole target. Do dry and live fire drills to show you the relationship that it ISN'T pulling the trigger faster that gets you through arrays of targets, but reducing your transition times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_B Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 31 minutes ago, rowdyb said: Move your eyes before you move the gun. Actually have a spot you're aiming at vs the whole target. Do dry and live fire drills to show you the relationship that it ISN'T pulling the trigger faster that gets you through arrays of targets, but reducing your transition times. This! You can save hundredths of a second with faster splits, where a lot of people try to save time. But you can save tenths of a second on transitions. After you follow through on your last shot immediately move your eyes to the next target then bring the dot or sights to your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 What's the visual cue to move your eyes to the next target? Because if you drag your eyes off too late the gun gets there first and then you waste time hunting around; drag your eyes off too soon and you end up with "mystery mikes" because you fired a second shot on a target without looking at it. You move your eyes physically when you see the sights lift on the last required shot for that target. Surprise, once again it is the sights and the targets that tell you what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Do a legit Bill drill for you, 7 yards and 6 shots, all alpha or -0. Do it very close to the edge of your skill level. Phone it in and the time you get is up less value. So if you do a Bill drill in say 2.50 with good hits, make that the par time on your timer. Then at the same distance set up 3 targets of equal height, each 3' apart edge to edge. So a very El Pres like array of targets. Now shoot two on each target, so equaling the Bill drill's six shots, in the same time as the Bill drill. If you did a legit Bill drill you absolutely can not make the times match by pulling the trigger faster. There is just no way. You HAVE to do it in the transitions. And this drill forces you to not only realize it, but then do it. Like a 3,4,5 right triangle there is some magic math to this distance but don't let that get in your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murzikrv Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 hours ago, rowdyb said: Then at the same distance set up 3 targets of equal height, each 3' apart edge to edge. So a very El Pres like array of targets. Wish I had space to do it Only have access to indoor range. But can take 2 lines if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Murzikrv said: Wish I had space to do it Only have access to indoor range. But can take 2 lines if needed If it works in live fire you can make it work in dry fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murzikrv Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, rowdyb said: If it works in live fire you can make it work in dry fire Good point ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 10:25 PM, Murzikrv said: Wish I had space to do it Only have access to indoor range. But can take 2 lines if needed Use 1/3 size targets and staple/tape them to another , bigger target and practice transitions between them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furrly Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 7:36 AM, Murzikrv said: Looking for any tips how to improve. https://youtu.be/heacJS-SVYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 @rowdyb just to clarify this. People can do that El prez like setup in 2.50sec? Because if that's true I suck a LOT more then I thought. My transition at 2 targets 5ft apart currently is about .35sec, splits about .18sec, draw 1.35sec. Bill drill is consistent at 2.10 all alphas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamasabound Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 On a 1 yard apart el pres array, the transitions should approach the splits. Set a little wider apart like you have them shouldn’t add more than .02 to that baseline. If your close transitions are 2X your split on a target, you have a lot of time to save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 11 hours ago, Bakerjd said: @rowdyb just to clarify this. People can do that El prez like setup in 2.50sec? Because if that's true I suck a LOT more then I thought. My transition at 2 targets 5ft apart currently is about .35sec, splits about .18sec, draw 1.35sec. Bill drill is consistent at 2.10 all alphas. You mean the Blake drill? 3 targets, two shots on each....yes. Goal should be to match your bill trill times and splits. It's obviously harder but it's doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Your 7 yard bill drill should be matched with a 7 yard Blake drill, each target a yard apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Well damn. I got a LOT more work to do then I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 16 hours ago, Bakerjd said: Well damn. I got a LOT more work to do then I thought. I'll try and make a video today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 @rowdybsweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Something I wrote on the subject a while back https://www.super-tactical.com/2020/02/blake-drills-explained.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Nice ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I got a lot out of the cadence drill I shot in a class years ago. I think we were about 5 yards 3 targets a target width or so apart. shoot 2 on each with equal splits and transitions, start slow like no brainer i can shoot and transition and hit the letter A speed then each run go faster and faster till failure. the focus is really on the transitions that's why the idea is even cadence the on target split is just there to make you stop the gun on each target. For me the big light bulb was going faster and faster till the hits fell apart, I found that what I thought was the limit was no where near where the hits said it was, also having an instructor standing over your shoulder saying FASTER after every run was helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 9:11 AM, Bakerjd said: @rowdybsweet! https://youtu.be/ylbgU19Z-ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Effectus Magis Per Minor Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Thanks Rowdy for going to the extra effort for our benefit! Great graphic illustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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