motosapiens Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, revolver45 said: BS. i did it this year on a dare. borrowed a revo, spent 20 rounds to chrono and zero, and went to a match. ill never shoot revo again tho. top 42% actually. my mother would be proud, except i was too embarrassed to admit to her that i shot a wheelgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 On 10/5/2022 at 7:32 AM, varminter22 said: Why would you say that? Everyone is (supposedly) shooting only against others in their division/class, are they not? The game just isnt suited for revolvers,, I mean we could have a flintlock pistol division, and only shoot against flintlock pistols but I think it woulda kinda suck. Would pretty much be a reloading game not a shooting game. Why I like pins and SC so far... seems to be fun shooting games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolver45 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Joe4d said: The game just isnt suited for revolvers,, I mean we could have a flintlock pistol division, and only shoot against flintlock pistols but I think it woulda kinda suck. Would pretty much be a reloading game not a shooting game. Why I like pins and SC so far... seems to be fun shooting games. On 10/4/2022 at 7:30 PM, motosapiens said: i did it this year on a dare. borrowed a revo, spent 20 rounds to chrono and zero, and went to a match. ill never shoot revo again tho. top 42% actually. my mother would be proud, except i was too embarrassed to admit to her that i shot a wheelgun. On 10/4/2022 at 7:30 PM, motosapiens said: i did it this year on a dare. borrowed a revo, spent 20 rounds to chrono and zero, and went to a match. ill never shoot revo again tho. top 42% actually. my mother would be proud, except i was too embarrassed to admit to her that i shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varminter22 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Joe4d said: The game just isnt suited for revolvers... I reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 On 10/4/2022 at 7:30 PM, motosapiens said: i did it this year on a dare. borrowed a revo, spent 20 rounds to chrono and zero, and went to a match. ill never shoot revo again tho. top 42% actually. my mother would be proud, except i was too embarrassed to admit to her that i shot a wheelgun. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10mmdave Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 22 hours ago, Joe4d said: The game just isnt suited for revolvers,, I mean we could have a flintlock pistol division, and only shoot against flintlock pistols but I think it woulda kinda suck. Would pretty much be a reloading game not a shooting game. Why I like pins and SC so far... seems to be fun shooting games. Sooo, you'll shoot targets that move and spin when not hit well with a revo as opposed to stationary targets ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, 10mmdave said: Sooo, you'll shoot targets that move and spin when not hit well with a revo as opposed to stationary targets ? I wouldnt know about that,, because I hit them well. Like I said.. a shooting game. Hey if you like reloading games more power to you.. Not knocking you. I didnt like the couple times I shot single stack either. But I must be wrong though based on the huge numbers of revolver shooters that show up at USPSA matches.. Must be a great game for them Edited October 7, 2022 by Joe4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 This thread has gotten pretty silly. The various divisions in Steel Challenge allow just about any shooter to go play. At major matches, maybe there is a fall off from one division or another. But, the local Teir 1 matches are pretty much the heart & soul of competitive shooting. So what if 2% of those shooters go to a major and complain about the number of shooters in their division? They're still in the 2%. Why should they be able to screw things up for the other 98%? Leave the game fun, and where almost any can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, GOF said: This thread has gotten pretty silly. The various divisions in Steel Challenge allow just about any shooter to go play. At major matches, maybe there is a fall off from one division or another. But, the local Teir 1 matches are pretty much the heart & soul of competitive shooting. it is true that this thread is silly. it is also true that there is no good reason anymore to have separate divisions for production, ss and limited. all iron sights centerfire semi-autos are pretty much the same for the purposes of steel. combining them would not stop anyone from playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigG Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 28 minutes ago, motosapiens said: it is true that this thread is silly. it is also true that there is no good reason anymore to have separate divisions for production, ss and limited. all iron sights centerfire semi-autos are pretty much the same for the purposes of steel. combining them would not stop anyone from playing. But it might reduce club income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, GigG said: But it might reduce club income. how so? i chose to enter limited with my ss gun at our state championship because limited had people in it. Edited October 7, 2022 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 4 hours ago, GigG said: But it might reduce club income. yeh you are gonna have to explain that one a bit. I dont get your logic stream there. Also dont see how combining limited SS and production under their current definitions screws it up for anyone... If anything Id rather see a size / weight based divisions than the current meaningless ones. Pick a Glock 19 sized box and weight,,,, Call any thing that fits compact, anything that doesnt full size. Just dumb to be using USPSA divisions for a game that uses completely different stage and ammo rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cferree Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) On 9/17/2022 at 6:49 PM, ZackJones said: If I were king for a day and staring a new shooting sport like steel challenge I'd have 8 divisions only: Centerfire Open / Irons PCC Open / Irons Rimfire Pistol Open / Irons Rimfire Rifle Open / Irons I wish Zack was King, but not for a day, for as long as we could talk him into it. A CO gun won the Main Match several years ago in BJ's hands. There have been multiple Tier 2 and up matches that a Prod or SS gun was the fastest CF iron sighted gun. We should have CFPO and CFPI. What is currently a CF handgun Division could become a Category. If there are enough entries at a local/major for a Category to be recognized, then it's recognized. If you've shot USPSA long enough, you'd remember when L10 and Revolver were Categories under Limited, not separate Divisions. SS shooters wanted a division and those in control gave them a L10 Category instead of SS Division. Revolver was supposed to attract more competitors (sound familiar). BTW, I have nothing against revolvers or those that shoot them. I enjoy watching folks shoot them. I just have no interest in shooting one. Edited October 10, 2022 by cferree mis-phrase sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigG Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 4:37 PM, motosapiens said: how so? i chose to enter limited with my ss gun at our state championship because limited had people in it. Because there are lots of folks that shoot multiple classes and pay multiple entry fees in matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, GigG said: Because there are lots of folks that shoot multiple classes and pay multiple entry fees in matches. For your normal monthly matches, you usually cannot sign up for more than 2 guns anyways. Area matches I can see this being the case, but of those, it probably is a marginal difference since Area 5 per say only had 53 of 340 guns being centerfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, GigG said: Because there are lots of folks that shoot multiple classes and pay multiple entry fees in matches. there are a handful of people that enter both ss and lim, or open and co, and they do it basically to get more practice. I have done it, and it works. I don't have any problem with that option going away. the revenue loss would be trivial, and it would open up a handful more slots at WSSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almo Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I usually shoot Production, but have shot Single Stack and Limited just to shoot different guns. I have to admit that they are all pretty similar. Production gives up a little to the other two because of the trigger, but it's not much. When I check the scores, I compare myself to all three categories. I don't mind keeping all three, but it would be a nice feature if Practiscore could have a category for Iron Sight Pistol to make checking easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Almo said: I usually shoot Production, but have shot Single Stack and Limited just to shoot different guns. I have to admit that they are all pretty similar. Production gives up a little to the other two because of the trigger, but it's not much. When I check the scores, I compare myself to all three categories. I don't mind keeping all three, but it would be a nice feature if Practiscore could have a category for Iron Sight Pistol to make checking easier. Practiscore Competitor lets you combine divisions as you wish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euxx Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 The SCSA results on the PractiScore website have "centerfire pistol" or "main match". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GigG Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 2 hours ago, euxx said: The SCSA results on the PractiScore website have "centerfire pistol" or "main match". That sounds like a Practiscore problem not a SCSA problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, GigG said: That sounds like a Practiscore problem not a SCSA problem. He was pointing out that combining the divisions under "centerfire pistol" was a feature of Practiscore, not a problem. The divisions are also listed separately for those that want to view the results that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Unfortunately, Centerfire Pistol includes Carry Optics and Open. So, it really doesn't narrow it down enough. Is there another way to combine just Production, Single Stack, and Limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOF Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 How about a ... centerfire, semi-auto handgun with iron sights division, without comps & barrel porting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 2:16 PM, Almo said: Unfortunately, Centerfire Pistol includes Carry Optics and Open. So, it really doesn't narrow it down enough. Is there another way to combine just Production, Single Stack, and Limited? Yeh, Just call it limited and eliminate Production and Single stack.. Those guns all meet existing Limited rules, and capacity, power factor, and trigger type are meaningless from a competition perspective.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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