So now that Win 244 has been out for a while, what are people thinking about it?

[ysrracer]

Anybody using it in 9mm? .38?

 

Is there any advantage over 231? My local store has a crap load of 244, zero 231.

 

What are you guys thinking?

[SuperKing]

It's supposedly HP-38/231 with fouling eraser additives in it.

I don't notice a difference between it and HP-38. I even ended working up my load to the exact same weight as my HP-38 loads (3.8gr and 125gr RN coated bullet).

Same PF average at 135.

I switched to it because HP-38/231 was hard to come by at the time and still seems like I can get 244 easier, so I am sticking with it.

[ysrracer]

Thanks, so you're saying you're using the same charge weight with the same results?

 

All my local stores have 244, none have 231

[rishii]

Pretty much my experience also

load data between 231/244 is pretty close if not the same

[ysrracer]

Thanks guys, like I said most of the stores near me have 244, nobody has 231.

[Guy Neill]

When I originally tested 231 vs 244, the charge weights were the same, but 244 gave higher velocities.

 

Load

Number          231          SD       244          SD

1                      638.5      30.2     972.0       23.2

2                     713.7       240.3    1012.5     17.5

3                     766.6       20.0     1069.5      13.6

4                     794.0       56.5      1123.8      10.8

 

These are 9mm Luger using 124 coated bullets fiured from a SA Loaded pistol.

 

[OnePivot]

244 has bizarrely low es, even with a charge that's maybe not so consistent. Whatever they added, it worked! 

 

I'm still on the fence. Its super dense but the charge weights are low. 4.0gr is a pretty empty case, and it's dark in color. It's a bit hard to see. My autodisk would throw 3.9gr using the smallest hole. I got an auto drum instead, but it's still a bit odd.

 

Terrible in 45acp, it blows unburnt chunks all over my arms. It wants some pressure to burn up, so i bet 38spl is the same deal. 

[Farmer]

4 hours ago, Guy Neill said:

When I originally tested 231 vs 244, the charge weights were the same, but 244 gave higher velocities.

 

Load

Number          231          SD       244          SD

1                      638.5      30.2     972.0       23.2

2                     713.7       240.3    1012.5     17.5

3                     766.6       20.0     1069.5      13.6

4                     794.0       56.5      1123.8      10.8

 

These are 9mm Luger using 124 coated bullets fiured from a SA Loaded pistol.

 

That’s what I found also. When I first started I thought the recoil was fairly sharp. Well there was good reason because of the increased velocities. I did notice it will get sooty like 231 when at low psi but not as bad. Works very good in my 327 FM and even 10mm 165g coated loads. 

[Orlandoech]

Better than 231 for sure, barely and cleaner. It’s my 3rd reserve powder behind Sport Pistol, then N320. 

[jpm2953]

On 8/31/2022 at 4:23 PM, OnePivot said:

244 has bizarrely low es, even with a charge that's maybe not so consistent. Whatever they added, it worked! 

 

I'm still on the fence. Its super dense but the charge weights are low. 4.0gr is a pretty empty case, and it's dark in color. It's a bit hard to see. My autodisk would throw 3.9gr using the smallest hole. I got an auto drum instead, but it's still a bit odd.

 

Terrible in 45acp, it blows unburnt chunks all over my arms. It wants some pressure to burn up, so i bet 38spl is the same deal. 

My HP38 load in 45acp does the same thing. 176PF. Accurate though