Sandbagger123 Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Miranda said: other than not knowing what a squirrel daddy pin may be... I use a lee sizing/decapping die and norma brass is not an issue. and I can only add that 2 dozen norma cases in not my idea that this is clear path to success. ... or that the cases are changed from what I had. miranda https://www.squirreldaddy.com/Decapping-pin-s/336.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 15 hours ago, Sandbagger123 said: https://www.squirreldaddy.com/Decapping-pin-s/336.htm that looks like a good decapping pin. thank you miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Always thought mine were heavy duty but apparently not as Norma has defeated them all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandbagger123 Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 just as a test and to make sure i am not crazy , i grabbed a couple of norma brass and resized them in my press with a lee die and SD pin. not even a hic cup. punched like it was not there before and after pix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 hmmmm is it possible that norma has changed the case design? the cases sandbagger show are different from the ones I have. (I had no problem with mine.) my memory is the cases have a stripe between norma and the 9mm... so it may well be when anyone encounters the 'new' cases, there will be a problem. photos of a problem case? I'll go hunt the cases I have... oh ... boy... where did ... miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 edit didn't let me add the photo I'll try again in a new post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Wonder if the differences are from different lots, factory loaded VS new component brass, contracted loads for departments, ect. I’ve found this with WW 45 brass. Factory loaded had a Winchester headstamp with a flat internal base while the component brass was just WW and a rounded base similar to WCC brass. Some headstamps also had different looking fonts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquared Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 8/14/2022 at 7:02 AM, Nathanb said: Anyone else found the flash hole to be smaller? I ripped up a sizing pin or two and could not figure out why. I thought Maybe the brass had gotten wet and sealed the primers to the brass but after running it through a. Universal recapping does and seeing the enlarged flash hole after the fact it finally clicked. I guess it’s supposed to improve consistency in ignition but all I’m finding it to do is cause me to stop loading to clear the brass when I hit one I encounter resistance when the pin starts to go in the hole but I push through it and have had no issues. The first couple pieces I found I stopped the press but once I punched a few out I just keep going. Using DIllon dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquared Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/6/2022 at 11:18 AM, Farmer said: Wonder if the differences are from different lots, factory loaded VS new component brass, contracted loads for departments, ect. I’ve found this with WW 45 brass. Factory loaded had a Winchester headstamp with a flat internal base while the component brass was just WW and a rounded base similar to WCC brass. Some headstamps also had different looking fonts. SOmeone was saying they did not intend for these cases to be reloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, esquared said: SOmeone was saying they did not intend for these cases to be reloaded. I kinda wonder about that. I have about 100 Norma 270 Win rifle cases that also have/had a small flashole that were bought new in the late 70’s as component brass. Think it’s more of a “metric” thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 I would love to state an ammo manufacturer is thinking about reloaders at any level... I's bet the decision was made for any reason except stopping reloaders. a smaller flashhole may have a quality they like or that the die they use in the drawing the case got the flashhole making pin got ground a little thinner in a rebuild... now we need a flashhole sizer to go with the mil-crimp remover... well, there may be a reason for two sizing stations in the big new presses. miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 6 hours ago, Miranda said: I would love to state an ammo manufacturer is thinking about reloaders at any level... I's bet the decision was made for any reason except stopping reloaders. a smaller flashhole may have a quality they like or that the die they use in the drawing the case got the flashhole making pin got ground a little thinner in a rebuild... now we need a flashhole sizer to go with the mil-crimp remover... well, there may be a reason for two sizing stations in the big new presses. miranda Smaller flash holes were generally used in target rifle rounds such a 6 ppc along with small primers. Supposedly more consistent and less violent ignition, better ES blah blah blah. In my brass I actually achieved better consistency and higher velocities after I uniformed the flash holes to a standard size. I suppose in a super tuned ultra match rifle it would be born out to be true but in my vanilla hunting rifle that’s the difference that I found. Either way a quick spin with a flashole uniformer and your good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Farmer said: Smaller flash holes were generally used in target rifle rounds such a 6 ppc along with small primers. Supposedly more consistent and less violent ignition, better ES blah blah blah. In my brass I actually achieved better consistency and higher velocities after I uniformed the flash holes to a standard size. I suppose in a super tuned ultra match rifle it would be born out to be true but in my vanilla hunting rifle that’s the difference that I found. Either way a quick spin with a flashole uniformer and your good. I have to admit I had not heard of a flash hole uniformer. live and learn. ummm? ya still need to decap the case before you can run the uniformer? miranda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Miranda said: I have to admit I had not heard of a flash hole uniformer. live and learn. ummm? ya still need to decap the case before you can run the uniformer? miranda Yes de-cap and drill out the flash hole, basically. Here’s the tool, I’m sure you’ve seen them. I cheat and chuck the tool in my lathe and wear heavy gloves and zip through them. Edited September 19, 2022 by Farmer Added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlandoech Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Haha yup. Hate their brass, but not all their brass has the small holes that the idiotic engineers decided to make smaller. I usually toss it if it see it, but my MA die has no issues with it either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.45 ACP nut Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Some of the Norma brass I received lately had the smaller hole and some had 'regular' sized holes. Even with my eyes I can see the difference. The smaller ones get tossed into the recycling bucket and the larger one go in the press. The cases I've inspected with the smaller hole, that have gone through the press, have a flare into the primer pocket. I'm not willing to bet that it won't affect how the primer works, so I toss them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Yep, the Squirrel Daddy does okay with the tiny little Norma flash holes. My RCBS pin, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 On 9/5/2022 at 10:29 AM, Miranda said: hmmmm is it possible that norma has changed the case design? it is a certainty that the design has changed. I was pulling out norma cases for several months, but the ones I am finding now have a larger flash hole that decaps easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I was getting sick of these cases and some Seller and Bellot brass pulling out my decapping pins from my Redding dies. I gave the Mighty Armory 9mm sizing die and .057 pins and I couldn't be more pleased. Fantastic die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 It didn't occur to me to check the flash hole, but I was reloading 9mm last night and ran into 2 cases (both Norma) that just absolutely refused to go into the Dillon sizing die. It felt like I was going to break my RL550B if I tried any harder. I tossed both into the spent primer bin...but now I may dig them out and try examining the flash hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postal Bob Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Has anyone who reloaded these Norma cases with the smaller flash hole, chrono'd them to see if there's any difference in velocity as compared to cases with normal flash hole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njl Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 If you can't decap them by normal means, why bother? I did dig one out of my primer bin last night, and sure enough, it's got a tiny pin hole of a flash hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Sounds like the Norma brass uses the smaller flash hole like Lapua 6mm BR. There is a slightly smaller decapping pin used on 6BR dies that might fit your dies IF you want to use that brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed F Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I have found the F.W. ARMS™ SIMPLE DECAPPER for $35 to be beast. I run it in my autodrive 1150 prepping 9mm. it pops Norma primers out without stopping the press. I have procced 12000 cases plus. The pin has not bent yet, unlike dillion and lee deprimers. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plinker625 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Redding makes undersized decapping pins # 01059 0.057" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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