crg Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 I'm looking at getting into carry optics with my Shadow 2. Currently I have an iron sighted one that would need to be milled. I'm wondering if anyone knows how big a difference in index there is going from the CZC plate system to the the CZ OR one. I will be buying a backup gun soon and would like to go with an OR model since the prices have come down a lot. I have no experience with red dots so I'm not sure if this is a really dumb idea and it would make more sense to just sell mine and get 2 ORs or buy another normal model and mill both. I would like to go with a plate system of some sort though. Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45 Raven Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 I have three Shadow family pistols from CZC. Two SP-01 Shadow 1 pistols with the CZC plate system and SRO's mounted and one Shadow 2 milled by CZC with an SRO direct mounted. I can't compare the Shadow 2 with the plate system to the Shadow 2 OR, but can verify that there is a pretty significant difference in the height of the optic between the S1 plate mounted pistols vs. the S2 direct mounted pistol. However, it doesn't take that long to adjust to the different heights with some dry fire practice for me. I think the direct mounted setup looks better and is almost certainly more "bombproof", but I prefer the plate mounted height on the S1 pistols for "user-friendliness" However, I have significantly more experience with the plate mounted optics, and that could change as I use the S2 with the direct mounted optic more frequently. It's likely going to come down to personal preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanb Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 I have an s2 or and a s2 milled. The difference is really minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YVK Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Nathanb said: I have an s2 or and a s2 milled. The difference is really minimal. I feel the same. My match gun is a direct mill by Cajun, my backup is CZC plate mill. Height difference is 2 mm but I use them interchangeably without any adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crg Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 Thank you for the replies, they were very helpful. I think I'm going to go ahead and get a Shadow 2 OR next time I see a good price and I'll arrange to send off my current gun to be milled for the CZC plate system later this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YVK Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, crg said: Thank you for the replies, they were very helpful. I think I'm going to go ahead and get a Shadow 2 OR next time I see a good price and I'll arrange to send off my current gun to be milled for the CZC plate system later this year. I know that you mentioned a preference for a plate system but personally if I were to do it again, I'd do two directly milled guns. As far as I am concerned - and opinions differ here - but there are only two worthy gaming optics. Unless they changed something, the CZC pocket was too short to accept Romeo 3 Max so, despite theoretic possibilities, it is just the SRO. With CZC plate it is only supported by screws and bosses since pocket is much longer, although admittedly mine has held OK. I've heard some people having CZ OR plates come loose and plates of all types complicate maintenance. I understand the attraction of interchangeable system and that's why I got mine but it hasn't been practically relevant. Just my cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crg Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, YVK said: I know that you mentioned a preference for a plate system but personally if I were to do it again, I'd do two directly milled guns. As far as I am concerned - and opinions differ here - but there are only two worthy gaming optics. Unless they changed something, the CZC pocket was too short to accept Romeo 3 Max so, despite theoretic possibilities, it is just the SRO. With CZC plate it is only supported by screws and bosses since pocket is much longer, although admittedly mine has held OK. I've heard some people having CZ OR plates come loose and plates of all types complicate maintenance. I understand the attraction of interchangeable system and that's why I got mine but it hasn't been practically relevant. Just my cents. Thanks for the input, guess I need to put some more thought into this. It slipped my mind but I've also heard of optics coming off the OR plate. I think HumbleMarksman might have mentioned it in his video on the gun. I ordered an SRO yesterday so that's what I'm planning to use for at least the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 10:52 AM, crg said: Thanks for the input, guess I need to put some more thought into this. It slipped my mind but I've also heard of optics coming off the OR plate. I think HumbleMarksman might have mentioned it in his video on the gun. I ordered an SRO yesterday so that's what I'm planning to use for at least the foreseeable future. @crg hit me up privately. I can give you feedback based on professional knowledge of threaded joint assemblies/mating part fits as well as three years of constant use of handguns with both OEM plate systems and direct milled installations from two different machine shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HesedTech Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 8:52 AM, crg said: Thanks for the input, guess I need to put some more thought into this. It slipped my mind but I've also heard of optics coming off the OR plate. I think HumbleMarksman might have mentioned it in his video on the gun. I ordered an SRO yesterday so that's what I'm planning to use for at least the foreseeable future. Chimpo probably has a good answer, but my experience is I have to use red locktite thread sealer to make sure the optic won’t come loose. Doesn’t matter if it’s a plate or direct mount. Yes the slide has to be heated to remove the screws at a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, HesedTech said: Chimpo probably has a good answer, but my experience is I have to use red locktite thread sealer to make sure the optic won’t come loose. Doesn’t matter if it’s a plate or direct mount. Yes the slide has to be heated to remove the screws at a later date. No idea why you would need to. In my experience most people do not use sufficient torque. Trijicons take 6-32 screws, hex heads can be tightened to 18 - 20 in-lbs (as long as the mating threads are steel). Medium strength thread locker will work just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 we’ve only been shooting co 18 months, with a cz and a sig. we just used a torque wrench to spec and have had zero issues in 20k-ish rounds.i personally use red loctite on the screws to mount the plate to the slide, but the blue loctite for the optic/plate interface doesn’t come loose, so maybe the red is overkill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 19 hours ago, motosapiens said: we’ve only been shooting co 18 months, with a cz and a sig. we just used a torque wrench to spec and have had zero issues in 20k-ish rounds.i personally use red loctite on the screws to mount the plate to the slide, but the blue loctite for the optic/plate interface doesn’t come loose, so maybe the red is overkill. Red loctite on the screws that hold the optic down makes me really nervous because of the heat that needs to be applied to break it loose. I have no idea how that much heat will interface with the electronics. Red loctite on the plate screws? Not a problem, heat that bitch up good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: Red loctite on the screws that hold the optic down makes me really nervous because of the heat that needs to be applied to break it loose. I have no idea how that much heat will interface with the electronics. Red loctite on the plate screws? Not a problem, heat that bitch up good. exactly my thought. now if you heated the screw up directly with a soldering iron or something, instead of an open flame, it would probably not transmit enough heat to the optic to make a difference..... but if blue-loctite holds, why even screw with it? Today I finally got the FTP mount to put a romeo3 on my cz, and mounted it up with only blue loctite on everything. However I did strip out my cheap-ass t8 torx driver trying to get to 17-18 in-lbs. Ordered some less cheap torx drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, motosapiens said: However I did strip out my cheap-ass t8 torx driver trying to get to 17-18 in-lbs. Ordered some less cheap torx drivers. Wiha brand bits is what you seek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said: Wiha brand bits is what you seek that's what I ordered, after brief research. Thanks for the confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV650Squid Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I would bet people are, in addition to not torqueing enough (or too much and threads are failing, especially in the aluminum plates), not prepping the surface for threadlocker. A bit of acetone on a qtip/pipe cleaner to clean the threads helps a lot, IME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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