Side charger

[dmshozer1]

Side charger.

Devil Dog side charger.

Anyone use  one?

What do you think of it?

[Arcrunner]

I considered it, but didn't want to add anymore weight or take up attachment room on the rails, so I went with the NFA side charger upper, very happy with it

 

[Sarge]

Devil dog worked great but it just added too much weight.

[dmshozer1]

40 minutes ago, Sarge said:

Devil dog worked great but it just added too much weight.

That's what I was afraid of.

Thanks

[StefVanHauwe]

 

[TRUBL]

I know people try to justify this for what ever reason.....two come to mind.....unloaded starts and malfunction. To the first one.....typically, it's been a table start and to the second one, well.....s#!t happens.

 

Here's my question........why would you design your equipment around disaster? You really don't train for that anyways.....and the rear charge handle is pretty much 2nd nature to anyone that has run AR's all their life.

 

Like say......just for discussion.

[dmshozer1]

3 hours ago, TRUBL said:

I know people try to justify this for what ever reason.....two come to mind.....unloaded starts and malfunction. To the first one.....typically, it's been a table start and to the second one, well.....s#!t happens.

 

Here's my question........why would you design your equipment around disaster? You really don't train for that anyways.....and the rear charge handle is pretty much 2nd nature to anyone that has run AR's all their life.

 

Like say......just for discussion.

Agree with you,

But, I have shoulder problems. I tried one last week and it seemed to ease the pain.

[dmshozer1]

4 hours ago, StefVanHauwe said:

 

Is the Bul a forged or billet upper?

Devil Dog says they will only work on a forged receiver.

Mine is a Odin billet 9mm upper.

[dmshozer1]

1 hour ago, dmshozer1 said:

Is the Bul a forged or billet upper?

Devil Dog says they will only work on a forged receiver.

Mine is a Odin billet 9mm upper.

Anybody try this on a billet upper?

[StefVanHauwe]

4 hours ago, dmshozer1 said:

Is the Bul a forged or billet upper?

Devil Dog says they will only work on a forged receiver.

Mine is a Odin billet 9mm upper.

7075 Aluminum upper and lower

[dmshozer1]

1 hour ago, StefVanHauwe said:

7075 Aluminum upper and lower

Yes but is it billet or forged  aluminum?

Called Devil Dog. I asked what the difference was. They said billet uppers are not mil spec.

Their product may or may not fit a billet upper.

[CharlieD]

Gibbz Arms makes a very nice side charge upper.

[StefVanHauwe]

10 hours ago, dmshozer1 said:

Yes but is it billet or forged  aluminum?

Called Devil Dog. I asked what the difference was. They said billet uppers are not mil spec.

Their product may or may not fit a billet upper.

From what I found it's forged. It fit perfectly, no issues.

[dmshozer1]

4 hours ago, StefVanHauwe said:

From what I found it's forged. It fit perfectly, no issues.

Thank you,

I'm going to get one to see if it will fit my upper.

[Ner]

i have a DDC for a year ..some + some - but overall i like it..Not that great as a dedicated upper but

[LowSpeedHighDrag]

I have a DD side charger on both of my PCCs.  It’s easier to use than the standard charging handle and marginally faster.  Helps with unloaded starts and required mag changes (IDPA).

Nice, but not critical.

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Edited May 16, 2022 by LowSpeedHighDrag

[dmshozer1]

3 hours ago, LowSpeedHighDrag said:

I have a DD side charger on both of my PCCs.  It’s easier to use than the standard charging handle and marginally faster.  Helps with unloaded starts and required mag changes (IDPA).

Nice, but not critical.

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What upper do you have it on,

If the upper is forged there will be a proof mark above

the forward assists.

According to Devil Dog information.

[LowSpeedHighDrag]

16 minutes ago, dmshozer1 said:

What upper do you have it on,

If the upper is forged there will be a proof mark above

the forward assists.

According to Devil Dog information.

One PCC is a JP, so the upper is, well, a JP.  The other is an AR-15 with an Angstadt Arms upper.  Both accept the side charger.

Originally had a Taccom3g upper on the AR-15, but it's not mil spec so it wouldn't work there.

Edited May 16, 2022 by LowSpeedHighDrag

[dmshozer1]

2 hours ago, LowSpeedHighDrag said:

One PCC is a JP, so the upper is, well, a JP.  The other is an AR-15 with an Angstadt Arms upper.  Both accept the side charger.

Originally had a Taccom3g upper on the AR-15, but it's not mil spec so it wouldn't work there.

I guess I will have  to get one to see if it fits on my Odin billet upper.

Thanks

[copterdrvr]

First off-too heavy? They weigh less than 5 ounces-I can’t feel that.
 

I’m left handed and I have them on ALL of my AR’s so I can’t speak to the benefits for a righty, but you couldn’t pay me to go back to the “old style” charging handle.

 

 I have a couple billet uppers-one worked perfectly as installed and the other I had to remove a bit of the nub that contacts the side of the receiver.  Took about 5 minutes with my trusty Dremel tool. 

 

All of mine are the forward attaching point because if you look at the possible sideward force applied to the system when you pull back on the handle, the most support is provided when the mount is secured at the forward end.

 

 I definitely have more than a couple of them and love ‘em.

Edited May 17, 2022 by copterdrvr

[dmshozer1]

1 minute ago, copterdrvr said:

First off-too heavy? They weigh less than 5 ounces-I can’t feel that.
 

I’m left handed and I have them on ALL of my AR’s so I can’t speak to the benefits for a righty, but you couldn’t pay me to go back to the “old style” charging handle.

 

 I have a couple billet uppers-one worked perfectly as installed and the other I had to remove a bit of the nub that contacts the side of the receiver.  Took about 5 minutes with my trusty Dremel tool.  The billet uppers are typically thinner through the cross section.

 

All of mine are the forward attaching point because if you look at the possible sideward force applied to the system when you pull back on the handle, the most support is provided when the mount is secured at the forward end.

 

 I definitely have more than a couple of them and love ‘em.

This is exactly what I wanted to hear.

I agree with everything you have said.

I have no problem making things fit if  I need to "modify" my guns.

They are tools to me.

Thank you

[copterdrvr]

And just to clarify due to my poor wording, the modding is done to the DD mount, NOT the firearm.

[dmshozer1]

1 hour ago, copterdrvr said:

And just to clarify due to my poor wording, the modding is done to the DD mount, NOT the firearm.

Got it,

[bigdawgbeav]

I have one of the DD's as well.  I was debating on taking it off since I never had to use it.  Lo and behold last weekend I started having feeding issues and it came in handy.  going to stay right where it is.

[robertg5322]

I've built two 9mm PCCs, both with side charging uppers (one NFA, one Matrix Arms).

 

Other than being a tiny bit heavier than a rear charger (a couple of ounces difference in weight), they're exactly what a PCC should be.

 

For the life of me, I can't figure out why JP didn't make the JP5 a dedicated side charger since they started from scratch with that gun. The rear charging handle is my only gripe about AR ergonomics.

 

With regard to muscle memory, dry fire and practice quickly make a side charger second nature.