jakfrost1 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) Hi all, stubbed my toe on this one yesterday. I normally compete in Open class but choose to shoot PO during the winter months while confined to indoor ranges...So, I stepped up to the firing line and when told to 'Load and Make Ready', used a single round held in a belt keeper on the front of my belt to 'top up' my first mag after loading one in the chamber. The RO stopped me and asked where I got the round from and then informed me that having a belt keeper capable of holding a cartridge, in front of the 'hip bone' was illegal. My understanding of rule 5.2.10 is that this would only apply AFTER the start signal, NOT after the 'Load and Make Ready' command...it does say 'Start Signal' in the rule...not, the 'Load and Make Ready Command', and the start signal is usually defined in the WSB as the 'beep', ending on the last shot fired, etc. Perhaps the 'allied equipment' part catches the belt keeper for some, but I doubt that was the intent of the rule. Comments? Jim W. Edited November 23, 2021 by jakfrost1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) Very bad call, IMO. The second half of 5.2.10 says: Quote Any such items a Range Officer deems not to be in compliance must be safely and promptly adjusted, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply. The relevant part of 6.2.5.1 says: Quote A competitor who fails to satisfy the maximum distance of handgun and allied equipment from his torso (see Appendices D1-5), or the foremost limit for handgun, holster and allied equipment (see Appendix E2), requirements of a declared Division after the Start Signal will incur a warning for the first offense. The RO should have had you correct the problem first. If he fails to notice until after the start signal, you're still entitled to a warning before getting bumped to Open the second time it happens. Edited November 22, 2021 by Fishbreath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishhunter3 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 you need to go back and check the holster and mag position rules. as the behind the hipbone is gone. and the RO should have known this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 27 minutes ago, fishhunter3 said: you need to go back and check the holster and mag position rules. as the behind the hipbone is gone. and the RO should have known this. This thread is about IPSC, not USPSA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 The RO was correct Allied equipment is where you round holder/belt keeper would fall in to, intention has nothing to do with how the rules work. They are applies as written. We used to have similar issues with magnets when the they first were allowed, guys would have them forward of the hip without a magazine and state they weren't being used so they are ok...... Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrydoc Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) On 11/23/2021 at 1:40 AM, Fishbreath said: Very bad call, IMO. The second half of 5.2.10 says: The relevant part of 6.2.5.1 says: The RO should have had you correct the problem first. If he fails to notice until after the start signal, you're still entitled to a warning before getting bumped to Open the second time it happens. He didn't say he was bumped to Open. He said he usually shoots Open, He didn't actually say what happened. Edited November 25, 2021 by terrydoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishbreath Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 2 hours ago, terrydoc said: He didn't say he was bumped to Open. He said he usually shoots Open, He didn't actually say what happened. I think he edited the post to that effect in the time since I replied. It is illegal, but introducing the consequences too early is also wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyScuba Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 I copied other shooters early on by using a magnet at the back of the belt with a stripper mag (aka the Barney mag in USA speak). problem solved. But you could go classy and use your teeth to Carry the extra round (inside joke alert) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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