CZ 97 B "E" CGW Conversion

[Winston_Smith]

For clarity sake, do the 2022 rules basically adopt the Gentlemen’s Agreement?

[matteekay]

Very shorthand, yes for ESP.

[Jim Watson]

But you can't have a trigger shoe.  Magazine catches are no longer mentioned.  What does that mean for taller or wider buttons?  Taller but not wider used to be the standard.  Is it now anything goes? 

 

A.2.1 Handguns permitted for use in ESP must:

A.2.1.1  Be semi-automatic.

A.2.1.2  Use 9 mm (9x19) or larger cartridges.

A.2.1.3  The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 43.00 oz. or less.

A.2.1.4  The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8 3⁄4” x 6” x 1

5/8”.

A.2.1.5  Firearms originally sold as compensated/ported models may be used in ESP with non-

compensated/ported barrels installed.

A.2.2 Start Condition:

A.2.2.1  Single action only firearms will start with the hammer cocked and the safety engaged.

A.2.2.2  Selective DA/SA firearms may start cocked and locked or de-cocked, at the shooter’s discretion.

A.2.2.3  DA, DAO, or striker fired firearms with a de-cocking lever or button will be de-cocked using the lever or

button.

A.2.2.4  DA, DAO, or striker-fired firearms may have a manual safety engaged at the shooter’s discretion.

A.2.3 ESP Permitted Modifications

A.2.3.1 See (8.1.6 and 8.1.7 in the IDPA Rulebook

A.2.4 ESP Excluded Features and Modifications (Non-Inclusive list)

A.2.4.1 Trigger shoes.

 

8.1.6 Allowable Modifications for All Divisions

8.1.6.1  Storage locks may be disabled or removed.

8.1.6.2  Magazine disconnects may be disabled or removed.

8.1.6.3  Lasers that are incorporated into the firearm or sights are allowed if they comply with all other division rules

and the laser is not activated during a string of fire (unless competing in Carry Optics). Tape may be used to prevent the laser from projecting.

 

8.1.7 Non-IDPA-Legal Features and Modifications for All Divisions

8.1.7.1  The following features and modifications are not allowed in any division unless otherwise specifically allowed in the rulebook.

8.1.7.2  Compensators of any type including hybrid or ported barrels.

8.1.7.3  Add-on weights that have no operational function other than providing weight.

8.1.7.4  Sights of non-standard configuration (ghost rings, Bo-Mar ribs, etc.).

8.1.7.5  Disconnecting or disabling of any safety device including (but not limited to): manual safeties, grip safeties,

firing pin, striker, and hammer blocking safeties. 1911 series 80 frames may be used with series 70 slides or vice versa. Revolver actions may not be modified so that the hammer can fall when the cylinder is open.

[matteekay]

Complete interpretation, but I read that as "anything goes" for mag releases in ESP. The other divisions have specific requirements written in.

[Jim Watson]

I will quiz the AC when I am on his range 4/23.

 

 

[Johnny_Chimpo]

3 hours ago, Jim Watson said:

I will quiz the AC when I am on his range 4/23.

 

 

 

Why is that still necessary after yet another rulebook iteration?

 

 

[matteekay]

22 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:

 

Why is that still necessary after yet another rulebook iteration?

 

 

 

There's a lot of confusion still. My guess is IDPA will release revisions sometime before the new rules take effect to address common points of confusion.

[Jim Watson]

41 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:

 

Why is that still necessary after yet another rulebook iteration?

 

 

 

Because in the past, IDPA policy was that lists of permitted modifications were "inclusive."  "If it is not on this list, you can't have it."  I will ask if that is still the case.

[Johnny_Chimpo]

11 minutes ago, Jim Watson said:

 

Because in the past, IDPA policy was that lists of permitted modifications were "inclusive."  "If it is not on this list, you can't have it."  I will ask if that is still the case.

 

That should be in black and white right in the document.

 

And why do they not have a single authority to issue clarifications and rulings?

 

This is crazy and ridiculous.

[Jim Watson]

I agree, I would particularly like to see a repository of clarifications.

You know, like NROI does for The Other Guys.

But it is not going to keep me from shooting IDPA.

You?

[ddc]

18 minutes ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:

 

That should be in black and white right in the document.

 

And why do they not have a single authority to issue clarifications and rulings?

 

This is crazy and ridiculous.

 

I agree. And they apparently think things are just fine the way they are. Or else they'd change.