SergeRingo Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Can anyone assist in getting the right rule for the below scenario Cof description requires FIREARM AND ALL loading devices to be placed on a drum/table at start position. A shooter at the buzzer PICKS firearm and loads mag and takes only one magazine leaving unwanted mag behind at the start position. Is it a PE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmanCdp Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 That is normally described in the COF and walk thru. Need to ask the So. Have seen it done both with ways over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas H Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 If the COF doesn't specify, and the SO didn't give specific direction prior to the start of fire (equally to all competitors), they aren't justified in a PE after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 It is not usually required to take all that ammo with you. Not never, but hardly ever. I will still lay out both my reload magazines even if I don't mean to take and use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergeRingo Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 12:57 PM, SergeRingo said: Can anyone assist in getting the right rule for the below scenario Cof description requires FIREARM AND ALL loading devices to be placed on a drum/table at start position. A shooter at the buzzer PICKS firearm and loads mag and takes only one magazine leaving unwanted mag behind at the start position. Is it a PE? You should be able to look in IDPA's rulebook and answer the question. Oh wait...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoholeth Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Situation occurred at recent Space Coast Challenge 2022 stage 5, basically gun loaded all spare ammo placed on table, on beep engage and at POC1 pickup spare ammo if needed proceed to complete COF. Competitor attempted to pickup 2 spare mags at table and stow. However he had difficulty stowing one of the spare mags and decided to leave it a the proscribed staging area and he completed the course of fire successfully without needing it. Was issued a PE for leaving ammo behind. Protested to CSO and ultimately to MD. MD said PE, however could not supply the Rule section etc. Shooters argument was the ammo was staged prior to start and remained there after his attempt to stow (consumed too much time) during the course of fire as it was not needed. And further the written COF did not specify requirement to take/remove all spare ammo to complete the COF. Shooter was still issued a PE, without a clear rule book ruling. What say the experts here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chimpo Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Qoholeth said: Situation occurred at recent Space Coast Challenge 2022 stage 5, basically gun loaded all spare ammo placed on table, on beep engage and at POC1 pickup spare ammo if needed proceed to complete COF. Competitor attempted to pickup 2 spare mags at table and stow. However he had difficulty stowing one of the spare mags and decided to leave it a the proscribed staging area and he completed the course of fire successfully without needing it. Was issued a PE for leaving ammo behind. Protested to CSO and ultimately to MD. MD said PE, however could not supply the Rule section etc. Shooters argument was the ammo was staged prior to start and remained there after his attempt to stow (consumed too much time) during the course of fire as it was not needed. And further the written COF did not specify requirement to take/remove all spare ammo to complete the COF. Shooter was still issued a PE, without a clear rule book ruling. What say the experts here? I'd say stop wasting time on a "sport" like that and move on to USPSA where match officials have to justify penalties with a rule citation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dacsoft Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 On 5/24/2022 at 2:46 PM, Qoholeth said: Situation occurred at recent Space Coast Challenge 2022 stage 5, basically gun loaded all spare ammo placed on table, on beep engage and at POC1 pickup spare ammo if needed proceed to complete COF. Competitor attempted to pickup 2 spare mags at table and stow. However he had difficulty stowing one of the spare mags and decided to leave it a the proscribed staging area and he completed the course of fire successfully without needing it. Was issued a PE for leaving ammo behind. Protested to CSO and ultimately to MD. MD said PE, however could not supply the Rule section etc. Shooters argument was the ammo was staged prior to start and remained there after his attempt to stow (consumed too much time) during the course of fire as it was not needed. And further the written COF did not specify requirement to take/remove all spare ammo to complete the COF. Shooter was still issued a PE, without a clear rule book ruling. What say the experts here? Strange that neither the CSO or MD could answer the question. The CSO is extremely qualified. The way I understood that stage was you didn't have to take all the magazines with you. But once the shooter picked up the magazine and discarded it, he earned a PE by rule 3.4.7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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