UFO Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) I think it's time. The current USPSA BOD don't have any interest in Steel Challenge. Edited August 27, 2021 by UFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolver45 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 It is way overdue in my opinion. The USPSA only cares about the divisions that bring them big money as just proven by their decision to not allow Rimfire Revolver classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, UFO said: I think it's time. The current USPSA BOD don't have any interest in Steel Challenge. Too be fair neither do many USPSA shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolver45 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Based on a conversation I had with Zack from USPSA, It's all about the numbers and USPSA far exceeds the Syeel Challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Steoger has talked about this on his podcast. He makes a good point really. USPSA shooters for the most part don't care about SC and the opposite is probably true for SC shooters. I'm sure there are some exceptions. It would make a lot of sense for SC shooters to have their own reps to come up with solutions to what ever problems they have. Would this cause the two sports to drift apart, would the rules sets start to look different? Does that even matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzShooter Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Is SCSA big enough to stand on it's own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) It it is financially feasible, yes. USPSA pushes USPSA matches. One club I shoot at wanted to have half USPSA and half SCSA matches. After the first year they were told to have more USPSA matches, or else. R is correct. The majority of USPSA shooters could care less about SCSA. The reverse is also true. I see very few USPSA shooters at the SCSA matches I go to. And yes, the rules should drift apart. For instance, it makes no sense to me to issue an official range command to a rimfire SCSA shooter that will not be followed. I also think there should be an abbreviated RO class specifically for SCSA for those who want to become ROs and will never shoot a USPSA match. Since I RO both, I got the SCSA Endorsement. I think that is important. Some things ARE different between the two. Edited August 27, 2021 by zzt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFO Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, revolver45 said: Based on a conversation I had with Zack from USPSA, It's all about the numbers and USPSA far exceeds the Syeel Challenge. SCSA Affiliate Clubs were up 31.1% from 2018 -2019, Up 17.1% from 2019 - 2020 compared to USPSA up single digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolver45 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 First, I apologize for giving you the wrong information. It was Jake I talked to not Zack. Yes, the SCSA has grown in the last three years, but the number of USPSA shooters far exceeds the SCSA shooters, and based on my conversation with him (Jake) the numbers win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFO Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, revolver45 said: First, I apologize for giving you the wrong information. It was Jake I talked to not Zack. Yes, the SCSA has grown in the last three years, but the number of USPSA shooters far exceeds the SCSA shooters, and based on my conversation with him (Jake) the numbers win. That really has nothing to do with the question at hand. Yes, USPSA has more shooters, but SCSA has outgrown USPSA by double digits. I know Jake very well, Jake does not think to highly of SCSA. Talking to Zack at WSSC a couple of years ago, he loved the idea of having our own BOD to make decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolver45 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Then you seem to already have the answer. USPSA board members don't really want the SCSA but as long as it produces, they'll play along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, UFO said: I think it's time. The current USPSA BOD don't have any interest in Steel Challenge. Yes. Two very different sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd5 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 My 2 cents Should they have their own BOD--yes for reasons stated above. Should they/we be separate organizations--I say no. SC has grown under uspsa more than it ever did. The added exposure in magazines, publicity, etc that comes along with the number of shooters in uspsa is invaluable, IMO. True there isn't a ton of crossover, but there is some due to that added exposure. How much publicity would the sc nationals have had without uspsa? Not much I think. It's relatively easy for a uspsa club to go ahead and have sc matches also. If they had to join some separate organization and deal with more fees, rules/requirements, etc. I don't think they would. I'm afraid sc would slowly die out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I think they should have their own BOD because some day the current BOD will be made up of a bunch of SC folks and USPSA shooters will get the shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 55 minutes ago, Sarge said: I think they should have their own BOD because some day the current BOD will be made up of a bunch of SC folks and USPSA shooters will get the shaft. Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 14 hours ago, UFO said: SCSA Affiliate Clubs were up 31.1% from 2018 -2019, Up 17.1% from 2019 - 2020 compared to USPSA up single digits. Is this information posted somewhere by USPSA/SCSA? I have often wondered what the stats are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseywales Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, Hoops said: Is this information posted somewhere by USPSA/SCSA? I have often wondered what the stats are. In the annual Mike Foley presentations https://uspsa.org/bod_minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, joseywales said: In the annual Mike Foley presentations https://uspsa.org/bod_minutes Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I voted 'Yes' but agree with everything posted above... SCSA should have their own BOD, but I don't think it will happen... We run one Level II match a year and always have trouble getting NROI certified Range Officers to help run the match... Not many SCSA shooters will bother getting NROI certified and not many USPSA RO's and CRO's care about Steel Challenge... There are a few of us that shoot both, but not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 hours ago, RaylanGivens said: Not many SCSA shooters will bother getting NROI certified Another reason to offer a shortened, one day SCSA certification class for SCSA ROs. If I only shot SCSA there is no way I'd go to a two-day USPSA RO class where 2/3 of what I'm taught and tested on has no meaning in SCSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David.Hylton Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 If you want to add a BOD for SCSA, why stop there. What about SCSA area directors and state directors? It seems the same benign neglect happens at that level also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I shoot both, as does my wife and I’m pretty sure neither of us care is in the slightest whether steel challenge has a separate board of directors or not. I get that the average Uspsa shooter doesn’t care much about steel challenge but what problems are you trying to solve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFO Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 3:55 AM, Hoops said: Is this information posted somewhere by USPSA/SCSA? I have often wondered what the stats are. BOD Meeting Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFO Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 8:51 AM, David.Hylton said: If you want to add a BOD for SCSA, why stop there. What about SCSA area directors and state directors? It seems the same benign neglect happens at that level also. That's in essence is what a SCSA board would be, Area Directors for SCSA. They would be appointed positions, and have no travel budget like our current Area Director have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 It stood on its own before uspsa bought it. They didn't buy it because they thought it would be a horrible money suck. SC has value and should be its own thing, separate from uspsa in all ways. I voted yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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