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For those with a DA/SA pistol, do you dry fire by pulling the DA every time? That's typically what I do but I don't know if that is the optimum thing to do or not. I saw one video that mentioned pulling the hammer back to SA and doing dry fire by lightly touching the trigger, just not enough to engage the hammer. 

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Double action very little. Trigger pulls very little. I don't use dry fire for much trigger work but tons for visual, movement and other skills.

 

If I do press the da trigger and need to dry fire other trigger presses I just don't let the trigger reset and that more closely approximates the sa pull

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I used to dry fire DA 100%, and a lot.  I used a laser trainer during much of this. My first shot off the draw was very good; the rest, not so good. Someone pointed out how I was pulling my shots and suggested trigger presses without the reset after the first DA shot during dry fire.  It's the way to go.

 

Firing the first shot SA is good for Trigger Control Under Speed drills. While watching your dot/sights aimed at a target with finger on trigger, react to the timer and get the shot off before the end of the beep without disrupting the sight picture. Aiming into the corner of a wall is a great way to watch for side-to-side trigger jerks.

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1 hour ago, konkapot said:

Keep in mind that out of a 6 stage/150 rd match remember that you'll probably only have 5-6 DA trigger pulls throughout the entire match. 

 

Yep, so to change the subject a bit.... For DA/SA shooters, do you plan your first array around the DA shot? Meaning, you take the easiest shot first regardless of how it might affect your time?

 

I always do this and plan what I'm doing around the first shot. I want to shoot at an open target if possible, or a closer target with the DA first pull. However, this is not always the fastest stage plan. For example, this weekend, I had a stage where most shooters went hard to the right for the first array, then went hard to their left for the second before entering the rest of the stage. 

 

There were 3 targets available on the right. The fastest route was to go to the inside cover and take the longest shot which had a no shoot, back out to the middle target which was a tuxedo, and back away and shoot at an open target and turn and run back to the left. As a DA first shot shooter, I did the opposite, taking the open target first, followed by the middle and then the longer shot hidden by cover. This took more time but I made sure that I shot the open target first with my DA first shot. So my movement was more static than those who shot the longer inside shot first. To me, that's the price of shooting a DA/SA pistol, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

Perhaps, I need to improve my DA shooting, or I shouldn't give a crap if I make the first shot or not, and just worry about speed.

 

 

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Part of development is gaining the confidence to make those shots. To be good enough w the da pull it doesn't matter to you physically or mentally of the first shot is wide open paper at 5y or a mini popper w a no shoot behind it at 20y.

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7 hours ago, Stafford said:

 

As a DA first shot shooter, I did the opposite, taking the open target first, followed by the middle and then the longer shot hidden by cover. This took more time but I made sure that I shot the open target first with my DA first shot. So my movement was more static than those who shot the longer inside shot first. To me, that's the price of shooting a DA/SA pistol, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

Not maybe......

 

If you're not going to put in the work to make any shot with a DA then you're better off getting rid of it and just buying a striker fired pistol with a really light trigger.

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10 hours ago, Stafford said:

 

Yep, so to change the subject a bit.... For DA/SA shooters, do you plan your first array around the DA shot? Meaning, you take the easiest shot first regardless of how it might affect your time?

 

I always do this and plan what I'm doing around the first shot. I want to shoot at an open target if possible, or a closer target with the DA first pull. However, this is not always the fastest stage plan. For example, this weekend, I had a stage where most shooters went hard to the right for the first array, then went hard to their left for the second before entering the rest of the stage. 

 

There were 3 targets available on the right. The fastest route was to go to the inside cover and take the longest shot which had a no shoot, back out to the middle target which was a tuxedo, and back away and shoot at an open target and turn and run back to the left. As a DA first shot shooter, I did the opposite, taking the open target first, followed by the middle and then the longer shot hidden by cover. This took more time but I made sure that I shot the open target first with my DA first shot. So my movement was more static than those who shot the longer inside shot first. To me, that's the price of shooting a DA/SA pistol, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

Perhaps, I need to improve my DA shooting, or I shouldn't give a crap if I make the first shot or not, and just worry about speed.

 

 

 

I think this strategy of being a scaredy cat regarding the use of your own gun that you chose is bad for the mental game. 

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11 hours ago, 2MoreChains said:

DA pull for the first “shot” then don’t let the trigger reset and simulate firing subsequent “shots”.  Saying “pew pew pew…” out loud or in your head is optional.  

 

^^ this

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4 hours ago, AverageJoeShooting said:

can you imagine shooting a division where DA is even a thing :D

 

Yes—in fact, I shoot a division where DA is the only thing. Great for your trigger and grip fundamentals, let me tell you.

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After the first shot, only reset your finger to where the single action would pick up, the click of the hammer is not important.

 

On a related note, don't practice reloads and then pull the trigger double action. If you get used to the long heavy pull after you seat the magazine, it's an AD waiting to happen. Ask me how I know. 🙄

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19 hours ago, Stafford said:

 

Yep, so to change the subject a bit.... For DA/SA shooters, do you plan your first array around the DA shot? Meaning, you take the easiest shot first regardless of how it might affect your time?

 

shooters that are not very good do this.  Shooters who are good don't lose a significant amount of time on the DA shot. On the hardest targets, it may be .1 slower. On most targets it's the exact same for me.

 

I spent some time years ago practicing shooting DA groups, and practicing draws to small steel targets. Once you learn it, it's like falling off a bicycle, you never forget how.

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I didn't ever get serious about shooting revolver division in USPSA. I did it once or twice just because a group of friends wanted to. It was fun. But I used to carry a revolver for EDC before finding this sport and tried to do all of my practice DA only.

 

Because of that, when I got an SP-O1, I didn't find the first-shot DA pull objectionable or scary. 

 

Like some of these guys have been saying. . .practice it, learn it, and move on.

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