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16 hours ago, Bakerjd said:

So I started looking at only reloading machines that were all down stroke.

 

 

Priming on the down stroke and built is swager makes the RL1050/Super1050/RL1100 better than a 650/750 for me.   Better/more comfortable ergonomics will save wear and tear on you shoulder. 

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Another thing to consider is that it is more difficult to see your powder drop on the 1100.

 

On the 650 you have pretty good visibility into the case when it gets to station 3.

The case is right there in front of your eyes as you look down at the shell plate.

It is at approximately 7 o'clock and you don't have to alter your stance much, if any, to see into it.

 

On the 1100 station 6 is at approximately 11 o'clock.

To see into the case you have to look around the side of the tool head and you are looking into the case at more of an angle.

 

I'm running mine automated at the left end of a bench. I can stand at 9 o'clock and get good visibility into the case.

 

If I was going to run an 1100 manually I would most likely look into one of the backup camera solutions that can be found in any number of postings in this forum.

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Thanks for the pictures. Looks doable. 

 

Looks like I'll have a lot of time to make a decision. 1050/1100's are in short supply, and I have no reason to pay a premium. 

 

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1 hour ago, jejb said:

Thanks for the pictures. Looks doable. 

 

Looks like I'll have a lot of time to make a decision. 1050/1100's are in short supply, and I have no reason to pay a premium. 

 

Unless you will be needing the Swage station to process . 223 in bulk, I recommend just saving your money and stay with the 650. Output difference is negligible if you have a case feeder and bulletfeeder on your 660.
 

I already had the 550 and 650 prior to buying the 1100. But I went ahead and bought one for processing .223 in bulk. The 650 wasn’t adequate and sturdy enough to process (especially swaging and I kept breaking the plastic ring indexer) .223. I sold the 650 (with case feeder and upgrades) and kept the 550 and 1100.

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37 minutes ago, George16 said:

Unless you will be needing the Swage station to process . 223 in bulk, I recommend just saving your money and stay with the 650.

 

Winner !!

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21 hours ago, George16 said:

Unless you will be needing the Swage station to process . 223 in bulk, I recommend just saving your money and stay with the 650. Output difference is negligible if you have a case feeder and bulletfeeder on your 660.

That's what I'm thinking at this point. Maybe just buy the bullet feeder for my 650 and call it good. 

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26 minutes ago, Johnnymazz said:

I have both the 650 and 1100 automated. I shoot 1,600 rounds a month. Cant compare the 2 machines. The RL1100 is built like a tank , the 650  looks like a toy you bought at Walmart in a quality sense. Buy once cry once

 

This says absolutely nothing about non-automated output and why you should or should not get a 1050 over a 650.

In this case buy once cry once mostly means spend too much for too little.

 

I can easily load 1600 rounds in just an hour and 15 mins. on the 650, no need for a much more expensive 1050.

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On 5/31/2021 at 10:23 AM, Sigarmsp226 said:

Jejb -  Caliber conversion kits and tool heads for the 1050/1100 are signifcantly more expensive than the 650 so for me this seemed to be the logical method...I am sure others will be able to share their ideas and comments.....Mark

 

To Intheshaws point - Eventually I think I will put an auto-drive on my RL1100....

 

This was my thinking as well. I set up my automated 1050 for 9mm - representing 90 percent of my reloading. I have a 650 off to the side - used for the other various rounds that I load. I do prefer the 1050 for the higher volume stuff. Particularly since that setup is automated.

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On 6/1/2021 at 5:22 AM, George16 said:

The foot print difference is insignificant to me. I used to have a 650 but sold it after a got my 1100. Now, I only have the 1100 and 550. The 1100 is used for small primer loading and processing .223 and 9mm while the 550 is used for loading .45 ACP and .308.

 

On 6/2/2021 at 5:54 AM, George16 said:

Unless you will be needing the Swage station to process . 223 in bulk, I recommend just saving your money and stay with the 650. Output difference is negligible if you have a case feeder and bulletfeeder on your 650.
 

I already had the 550 and 650 prior to buying the 1100. But I went ahead and bought one for processing .223 in bulk. The 650 wasn’t adequate and sturdy enough to process (especially swaging and I kept breaking the plastic ring indexer) .223. I sold the 650 (with case feeder and upgrades) and kept the 550 and 1100.

 

I agree with everything @George16 is saying. I have also sold my fully upgrade 650 to go to an automated 1050/550 setup. With the case feeder and bullet feeder there isn't really a speed difference between the 1050 and 650. The 1050 stays set up for 9mm and I load smaller batches of anything else on the 550. Reloading on an auto indexing press is just necessary work to get to shoot more, but I actually enjoy the hands on craftsmanship and ergonomic efficiency of the 550 when I use it for 200 rounds here or there.

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I think the swage station alone is worth the 1050/1100. I primarily shoot 9mm and .223 so not having to worry about crimps is an important feature. On top of that the extra stations give more options. I don’t think a lot of home reloaders are out there wearing out RL650s, but I enjoy the fact that my Super 1050 is rated for commercial use. 

 

Warranty and price is a non issue. If/when I make enough rounds to wear out something on my 1050 I can afford to fix it or even replace the press. 100,000 rounds is conservative for a 1050 and represents more than a decade worth of shooting for me. At $0.15 per round that’s $15,000, the cost of the whole press is only like 10% of that, much less just replacing a part.

 

As far as the price of the press, The extra $1000 or so for the 1050 is nothing to sneeze at, but it’s a major addition to my shooting hobby.  It’s a major appliance to me.  Many people think nothing of adding a $1200, $2000, $5000 option to their car when they buy a vehicle. I spent almost $10,000 on a new HVAC two years ago and another $12,000 on a new roof. s#!t’s expensive! But an extra $1000 to get the press I will probably use until I die is small potatoes in the grand scheme.

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