screwj Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) So I just received a custom open build from a high-end builder. I am hoping you guys can educate me on what I should reasonably expect or not, but when I check the overall build, the slide/frame is loose on lockup. I understand that accuracy is not a result of slide/frame fit, rather it is a result of barrel lockup and slide/barrel fit. However, this seems way out-of-spec for a 8k+ build. Because I received it this past Friday, I couldn't get a hold of the builder, probably not until tomorrow. I am hoping to get some opinions and some of your experiences with custom builds to see if this is normal, or not. Here is a video of the slide/frame fit on lockup: Edited May 3, 2021 by screwj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimBoettcher Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Unacceptable IMHO.... Absolutely no reason for this in a 1500 build let alone 8000... TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverscooby27 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Special jam/misfeed prevention upgrade. You should be thankful. I guess the saying is correct, don’t buy an open gun from any company that starts with an “A” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY BARONE Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 (edited) Wow for 8 grand should get better than that. Edited May 2, 2021 by TONY BARONE misspelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconpilot Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Differently not right - I've owned 5 or 6 Akai's and never anything like that - Shay will make that right I'm sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Silverscooby27 said: Special jam/misfeed prevention upgrade. You should be thankful. I guess the saying is correct, don’t buy an open gun from any company that starts with an “A” what is it? AS T I ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSteel Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 That is definitely not right. If it were in the raw waiting for chrome plating that would still be excessive. If it is that loose now, think about 20k rnds later.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwj Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 39 minutes ago, NoSteel said: That is definitely not right. If it were in the raw waiting for chrome plating that would still be excessive. If it is that loose now, think about 20k rnds later.... To say I am disappointed is understated. I am really hoping the builder will make it right; I have other 2011 platforms that do not do this, but who knows, I don't know everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rnlinebacker Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 2 hours ago, falconpilot said: Differently not right - I've owned 5 or 6 Akai's and never anything like that - Shay will make that right I'm sure.. Nope lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwj Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Rnlinebacker said: Nope lol Can you expand on your comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageJoeShooting Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 i have an akai and its perfect. def not like that at all. or is it an atlas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konkapot Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Will be curious to see how this movie ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I was curious so I drug out my Springfield TRP factory gun with several thousand rounds on it. The gun in the OP looks to have about twice the play as my TRP. I can't say that I would be happy with it for 3000, much less 8000. Will be interesting to see what the builder says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, konkapot said: Will be curious to see how this movie ends If it's an American movie of course, let's have a happy ending. But if it's a Korean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 That's about like the Norinco I looked at in the Pawn shop the other day. I'm old school probably the modern open gun has changed and this may be a new feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) It is definitely not right, but it could be a simple fix. When you press the rear of the slide down the fit looks good, except the height of the frame rails is a lot less than the height of the slide ways. That's not good, but not necessarily fatal either. 2011s run on the bottom of the slide and the frame rails. The fact that yours is springing up at the rear means there is something amiss elsewhere. For instance, too long a barrel link could do this in extreme circumstances. Possibly a lot of barrel spring. I would not accept that in a 3k gun let alone an 8k gun. Send it back. For 8k everything should be perfect. BTW, don't let anyone tell you you need that slop to make the gun run. The Open gun I just built has zero discernable play up, down or side to side and runs 169 PF with a 10 lb. recoil spring with 100% reliability. Edited May 3, 2021 by zzt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwj Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) Thank you all for your input, I really appreciate it. I will keep you guys posted on the progress. I don't want to intentionally make anyone look bad here, and I need to give the builder a chance to address it. Edited May 3, 2021 by screwj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, zzt said: BTW, don't let anyone tell you you need that slop to make the gun run. I have heard such a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael303 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 hours ago, screwj said: Thank you all for your input, I really appreciate it. I will keep you guys posted on the progress. I don't want to intentionally make anyone look bad here, and I need to give the builder a chance to address it. That's definitely fair. It's disappointing that it would even leave the shop like that though. Unfortunately I don't see how that could be fixed properly without doing something like microwelding and recutting the frame rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravo_Victor Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 3:37 PM, Silverscooby27 said: Special jam/misfeed prevention upgrade. You should be thankful. I guess the saying is correct, don’t buy an open gun from any company that starts with an “A” this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Gross! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacivilian Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 2:37 PM, Silverscooby27 said: Special jam/misfeed prevention upgrade. You should be thankful. I guess the saying is correct, don’t buy an open gun from any company that starts with an “A” Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkaratemonkeyfighter Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 You must hold them accountable. Unless there happy with there name being associated with that type of sloppy product. That’s not “custom “ That’s less than off the shelf mass produced parts. you might need to get a little mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwj Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 I talked to the builder and the next steps made me feel much better about my situation. The builder said it should definitely not be that way and that he will do everything to make sure I am 100% happy, whether he has to build a new gun or not. They are sending me a label to send it back with no additional cost on my part and that he would try to get it fixed and back to me as a priority. I appreciated the fact that he did not question me or my judgement on the phone; he said to send it back and he will do everything he can to make sure it is perfect. He also asked if there was any other changes I could possibly want to include, which I did not expect. So far so good, I look forward to seeing the end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael303 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 56 minutes ago, screwj said: I talked to the builder and the next steps made me feel much better about my situation. The builder said it should definitely not be that way and that he will do everything to make sure I am 100% happy, whether he has to build a new gun or not. They are sending me a label to send it back with no additional cost on my part and that he would try to get it fixed and back to me as a priority. I appreciated the fact that he did not question me or my judgement on the phone; he said to send it back and he will do everything he can to make sure it is perfect. He also asked if there was any other changes I could possibly want to include, which I did not expect. So far so good, I look forward to seeing the end result. That's great. I'm curious how it'll be fixed. The only option I could see is adding material to the rails and milling them back down to proper clearance but that could affect the lower barrel lug fit. Be sure to check the barrel to slide stop fit when it's returned and confirm how much contact you're getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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