71Commander Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 This is getting to be a real problem. Link to comment
Racinready300ex Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Use timers with adjustable sensitivity? Those new AMG timers are pretty amazing. Link to comment
Kokeman Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Depending on barrel type, you can put a comp on it to make it louder. Link to comment
outerlimits Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 shoot a pistol-problem solved. Link to comment
Sarge Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 minute ago, outerlimits said: shoot a pistol-problem solved. Link to comment
MHitchcock Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I had this problem the last match I shot with my stock pinned/welded gen2 Mpx barrel. I just started telling the RO the position I was going to be ending the stage in (if there was more than one choice in the lay out) so he could get in close with the timer without risking a collision. The competitor-side fix is a comp on the PCC to make it louder for the timer. Link to comment
NETim Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 One enterprising RO at our club attached timers to the end of a yardstick. Works like a charm. Link to comment
Sarge Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, NETim said: One enterprising RO at our club attached timers to the end of a yardstick. Works like a charm. Seems it would be difficult to be 100% sure the timer picked up the last shot. Need to be able to see the timer capture the last shot. Link to comment
zzt Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 AMG timers cure that problem. If I'm ROing a PCC shooter at a USPSA match I'm using my AMG timer no matter what. Then I don't have to crawl up the shooter's butt to make sure I catch the last shot. They really are that good. Link to comment
Nolan Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 7 hours ago, outerlimits said: shoot a pistol-problem solved. Yes, Butch we get it, you don't like PCC, but at a PCC match, shooting a pistol doesn't solve the problem. 7 hours ago, NETim said: One enterprising RO at our club attached timers to the end of a yardstick. Works like a charm. 6 hours ago, Sarge said: Seems it would be difficult to be 100% sure the timer picked up the last shot. Need to be able to see the timer capture the last shot. Just attach the timers so the readout faces back along the stick. They do this at the Rimfire Precision Rifle and PRS matches because some of the suppressed rifles are surprisingly quiet. Nolan Link to comment
71Commander Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 When a D shooter that had knee surgery and limps beats an A shooter, you know that there is a problem. Link to comment
Bdh821 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 This is one of the reasons why I shoot 115s at 1200+fps. I've never had that problem Link to comment
Racinready300ex Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, 71Commander said: When a D shooter that had knee surgery and limps beats an A shooter, you know that there is a problem. Clearly the A shooter is over classified. Link to comment
71Commander Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Racinready300ex said: Clearly the A shooter is over classified. Nope. Timer is not picking last 8/9 shots to end the stage. Link to comment
Racinready300ex Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, 71Commander said: Nope. Timer is not picking last 8/9 shots to end the stage. Seems like that would be obvious to a RO who's paying half attention and a reshoot would be required. Link to comment
mreed911 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, 71Commander said: Nope. Timer is not picking last 8/9 shots to end the stage. That's on the RO to be behind the shooter finishing the stage - only the last shot matters, timer-wise. Link to comment
zzt Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, mreed911 said: That's on the RO to be behind the shooter finishing the stage - only the last shot matters, timer-wise. That depends on what the last shot is. Leaning around a barrier and shooting left is definitely going to move the muzzle away from the RO and put the shooter's body between the timer and the muzzle. So you cannot just make blanket statements like that. Link to comment
mreed911 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 minute ago, zzt said: That depends on what the last shot is. Leaning around a barrier and shooting left is definitely going to move the muzzle away from the RO and put the shooter's body between the timer and the muzzle. So you cannot just make blanket statements like that. I can. It's up to the RO to be able to be in a position to record the last shot. Barring that, it's up to the RO to report malfunctioning equipment to the RM (wrong sensitivity on a timer), or to request a change to the stage to allow proper timekeeping/scoring. So yes, I can make a blanket statement like that. Link to comment
Dirty_J Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 It’s an RO problem. Not an equipment problem. The even worse problem... is RO’s that aren’t looking at the timer to even know with certainty if they picked up the last shot or not. It’s a big problem. Link to comment
pyrrhic3gun Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) If the stage designer puts a target or short wall a meter or two downrange from the last shooting position, the reflected sound is usually picked up even from rimfire rifles. I've seen the yardstick option used with two timers just to make sure it picks up the last shot and it seems to work. Edited April 28, 2021 by pyrrhic3gun more Link to comment
71Commander Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Dirty_J said: It’s an RO problem. Not an equipment problem. The even worse problem... is RO’s that aren’t looking at the timer to even know with certainty if they picked up the last shot or not. It’s a big problem. Bingo. It's the RO that's running shooters while the regular RO is on deck. Experience is lacking. Link to comment
71Commander Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 44 minutes ago, pyrrhic3gun said: If the stage designer puts a target or short wall a meter or two downrange from the last shooting position, the reflected sound is usually picked up even from rimfire rifles. I've seen the yardstick option used with two timers just to make sure it picks up the last shot and it seems to work. You don't know where the last shooter position will be. Changes if the shooter is right or left handed. Link to comment
Dirty_J Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, 71Commander said: You don't know where the last shooter position will be. Changes if the shooter is right or left handed. Any experienced RO shouldn’t have an issue with this. Link to comment
71Commander Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 Just now, Dirty_J said: Any experienced RO shouldn’t have an issue with this. I've been a CRO for 15 years. Anyone that says it's not a issue is kidding themselves. Link to comment
Dirty_J Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 71Commander said: I've been a CRO for 15 years. Anyone that says it's not a issue is kidding themselves. Those 15 years of experience running PCC shooters? Nope. You’ve got 4 years of USPSA PCC match experience. Just like the rest of us. Edited April 29, 2021 by Dirty_J Link to comment
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