midatlantic Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) Hi the primer punch in my 1100 became stuck in the up position. The shell plate stopped indexing, went looking for problem and found punch was sticking up thru the primer slide. https://dilloncdn.com/manuals/dillon-rl1100-manual.pdf see page 67 for schematic of parts 4,6,5. Removed shell plate, removed primer punch bushing, spring and punch, and also the cam, tapper etc. cleaned all etc. reassembled. seemed to work. Then on the third or fourth stroke the punch again became stuck in the up position. pulled it all apart again and now the punch (4) and spring were frozen again in the up position. Had to tap the punch down w a piece of wood to get the slotted screw driver on to the bushing. Then had to tap primer punch out the bottom by using a brass punch and small hammer. i see no damage to any part. The punch looks fine, as does interior of press where it is inserted to meet the rocker arm (2). BUT the punch will not slide into the press, either thru top where bushing is screwed on or thru. ottom where it is striked by the rocker arm. Thoughts anyone? Edited April 10, 2021 by midatlantic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) How many rounds through it prior to this point? With 20/20 hindsight any indications there was a problem brewing there? The fit of the punch to the frame is not terribly close; there should be a slight amount of wiggle room there. When was the last time that area was deep cleaned? Edit to add: Ok, I see you cleaned it so disregard last question. Edited April 10, 2021 by ddc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlantic Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 4000 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlantic Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 And a second problem, see post on primer punch, is that the handle has become mushy at the end of the downstroke - a bit bouncy and not a firm end to the downstroke. All thoughts welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 part #4 bent? Press out of time? Page 60 indexer damaged? Don't start a new thread with related information. Makes it hard to know what is going on. Therefore causing much confusion when trying to diagnose your problem. Cause and effect. Cause press out of time. Effect bent part #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) Threads merged. Please keep related info in one thread. It is much easier to follow the conversation (also did a minor title edit...) Edited April 10, 2021 by ChuckS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 8 hours ago, midatlantic said: And a second problem, see post on primer punch, is that the handle has become mushy at the end of the downstroke - a bit bouncy and not a firm end to the downstroke. All thoughts welcome Check that a die has not been screwed in too far. If it is running into the shell plate the stroke will feel abnormal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlantic Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 well, my best guess is that somehow the rocker arm that pushes the punch up somehow peened the frame where the bottom of the punch contacts the rocker arm. Thats where the punch is sticking. So, plan is to take a small file and carefully! apply it to the circumference of the frame. Will be very gentle and test often. Anyone want to tell me why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, midatlantic said: well, my best guess is that somehow the rocker arm that pushes the punch up somehow peened the frame where the bottom of the punch contacts the rocker arm. Thats where the punch is sticking. So, plan is to take a small file and carefully! apply it to the circumference of the frame. Will be very gentle and test often. Anyone want to tell me why not? What about getting a second opinion from Dillon about this operation prior to performing the elective surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlantic Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 wise advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assnolax Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Does the mushy feeling handle happen without a case in the priming station? Did you adjust your own primer depth setting? Even if its a factory setting I would double check it or just back it out and creep back onto what works for you and your brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlantic Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) Yep, the mushiness was the primer setting, too deep. I have found that if you pull off the tool head and take out the plate etc. you have to go back and check and then readjust many of the settings. Maybe it’s me, and it could well be, but I’ve been a little surprised at how easily the press gets out of adjustment. The 650 is more consistent and in that way seems more robust. as for the sticking primer punch Dillon said use a file on the circumference at the exit wheee it was sticking, which I did, carefully, a thin round file, non aggressive grit, and then ran the punch up and down a few dozen times w 600 grit rubbing compound. Fixed. Why it happened after 4,000 rounds remains a mystery. Edited April 12, 2021 by midatlantic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brufallo Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I have suddenly started having this issue after 15-20K rounds. Can you say how well your fix has worked now that some time has passed? Like you, it seems odd that it would work fine then suddenly get the heebie-jeebies for no reason. I am somewhat unhappy to take a file to this without knowing what/why… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Brufallo said: I have suddenly started having this issue after 15-20K rounds. Can you say how well your fix has worked now that some time has passed? Like you, it seems odd that it would work fine then suddenly get the heebie-jeebies for no reason. I am somewhat unhappy to take a file to this without knowing what/why… How long has it been since you tore down the top end, deep clean, lubricate? Most of my problems go away after I do that. If you haven't done that in 15-20k rounds then it is past due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HesedTech Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 9 hours ago, Brufallo said: I have suddenly started having this issue after 15-20K rounds. Did you check the primer punch rocker, its bolt and the down plunger? It’s not uncommon for the rocker bolt to come loose or for dirt to get into plunger channel/hole. These parts need to be greased occasionally, especially if your brass is a bit dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlantic Posted July 3, 2023 Author Share Posted July 3, 2023 My fix worked, and hasn't reoccured. That said I still have episodes where the primer seating depth has to be unexpectedly readjusted, usually because it is leaving the primers high. I keep the press and various linkages clean and can't point to what specifically throws it off. There may be a lot of stacking, where one small adjustment leads to another etc etc. Also I'm now using a Mk 7 drive, so the no doubt has an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 6 hours ago, midatlantic said: My fix worked, and hasn't reoccured. That said I still have episodes where the primer seating depth has to be unexpectedly readjusted, usually because it is leaving the primers high. I keep the press and various linkages clean and can't point to what specifically throws it off. There may be a lot of stacking, where one small adjustment leads to another etc etc. Also I'm now using a Mk 7 drive, so the no doubt has an impact. Interesting. I can't remember the last time I had a problem I could identify as a seating depth issue. I sort for headstamps and batch reload as much of a given headstamp as I have on hand at that point in time. I go from Blazer to FC to S&B to RP to Win, etc. and never worry about adjusting seating depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlantic Posted July 4, 2023 Author Share Posted July 4, 2023 I don’t sort, but reload 9mm 40sw and 45. Think it only happens when I’m loading 9mm, tho that makes no particular sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddc Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, midatlantic said: I don’t sort, but reload 9mm 40sw and 45. Think it only happens when I’m loading 9mm, tho that makes no particular sense. a head scratcher for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlantic Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 This may explain it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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