Norone Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 All, I have had two very knowledgable MDs give opposing answers this evening so its to you all. - In Limited, can the butt of the gun, in holster, be below the the top of your belt legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Norone said: All, I have had two very knowledgable MDs give opposing answers this evening so its to you all. - In Limited, can the butt of the gun, in holster, be below the the top of your belt legally. see rule 5.2.7.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhittin Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 No. That rule did not change in the latest update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norone Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 Thanks yall. I thought no but wanted to hear from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadarTech Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Please help the MD that had the less accurate answer know the accurate answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Open rulebook Ctrl+f type "butt" Press enter The answer will appear. As you get to know the rulebook knowing what keyword to search for becomes easier. You were on the right track with "butt" but I guess it's easier to post here and wait for some knucklehead to answer (possibly wrongly) than to look it up yourself? I dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nghthwk1911 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 What??? my texts were not good enough for you... I am hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 9:17 PM, waktasz said: I guess it's easier to post here and wait for some knucklehead to answer (possibly wrongly) than to look it up yourself? I dunno That's every single IDPA rules thread here. Every. Single. One. Which is not surprising because the few times I go play that i hope I get a competent SO, and every time I'm disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 (edited) Setting up my granddaughter's CO rig. So I may be asking this and get flagged. I have looked at the diagram several times. Basically as long as any top part of the butt of the gun is just above the belt it is good. To go with the limited question. Is the magwell considered part of the "butt"? I know magwells are not allowed in CO. gerritm Edited March 25, 2021 by gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, gerritm said: Setting up my granddaughter's CO rig. So I may be asking this and get flagged. I have looked at the diagram several times. Basically as long as any top part of the butt of the gun is just above the belt it is good. To go with the limited question. Is the magwell considered part of the "butt"? I know magwells are not allowed in CO. gerritm 5.2.7 Competitors must not be permitted to commence a course of fire wearing: 5.2.7.1 A shoulder holster or “tie-down” rig (visible or otherwise), except as specified in Rule 5.2.8. 5.2.7.2 A holster with the heel of the butt of the handgun below the top of the belt, except as indicated in Rule 5.2.8 for Law Enforcement/Military duty holsters, and approved by the RM. All handgun divisions must comply with this requirement. The "heel of the butt" of the handgun is the bottom portion of the backside of the grip, near the magwell opening. If in doubt, check with the CRO or the RM before the first time she shoots to ensure she's in compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JodiH Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 There is a post on the NROI Blog that explains this and has pictures to show what is legal and not. And no, magwells don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Thanks Jodi ... I knew there was a picture SOMEWHERE, but I couldn't find it in the rulebook so I just quoted the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Always good to remember it can be checked with belt on or off. Typically holsters look lower than they actually are on a body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT_Schultz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 6 hours ago, gerritm said: Basically as long as any top part of the butt of the gun is just above the belt it is good. Nope The heel of the grip is what needs to be above the top of the belt. The heel is literally the bottom of the backstrap. The back of a magwell isn't the heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 14 hours ago, JodiH said: There is a post on the NROI Blog that explains this and has pictures to show what is legal and not. And no, magwells don't count. Thank you for the picture, this clearly shows what I need to know. Her setup should be okay. gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 10:18 PM, SGT_Schultz said: Nope The heel of the grip is what needs to be above the top of the belt. The heel is literally the bottom of the backstrap. The back of a magwell isn't the heel. The heel is NOT the bottom of the back strap on all guns as pointed out in the very nice pictures linked (with NROI write up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 3/30/2021 at 5:04 AM, Bakerjd said: The heel is NOT the bottom of the back strap on all guns as pointed out in the very nice pictures linked (with NROI write up). Good point. For a more obvious example, examine the "heel of the butt" as it would appear on a S&W Revolver with a round-butt type grip. That can be rounded all the way down the back to below the bottom of the butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Schutzenmeister said: Good point. For a more obvious example, examine the "heel of the butt" as it would appear on a S&W Revolver with a round-butt type grip. That can be rounded all the way down the back to below the bottom of the butt. Ohh that would have been a perfect picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 19 hours ago, Bakerjd said: Ohh that would have been a perfect picture. Not necessarily THE specific model revolver I was thinking of, but here's an image of the type grip I had in mind: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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