Larus Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) A shooter was assessed a Procedural Penalty on his score as the R.O observed he shot the targets not according to the WSB of the Classifier 13-04. The shooter on his 2nd string, engaged T3 first, mandatory changed mag, and engaged T2. The shooter was Left-handed, thus his preference to engage the left target first. Was it correct for the R.O to assess the shooter a Procedural? Edited January 19, 2021 by Larus Error on copy paste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Yes. "String 2: On signal, turn and engage T1 with 6 rounds only. Perform a mandatory reload and engage T3 with six rounds only. All shots fired from within area A." The WSB offered no other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkD Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I don't think it matters if you reverse the order. Check with nroi to see what they say, this has come up before and iirc they previously said the order of engagement doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 He engaged "T2" after the reload on his second string? Really, or is that a typo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 6:19 AM, DirkD said: I don't think it matters if you reverse the order. Check with nroi to see what they say, this has come up before and iirc they previously said the order of engagement doesn't matter. It does when the WSB specifies the order vs. "either T1 or T3." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larus Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 8:14 AM, George Jones said: He engaged "T2" after the reload on his second string? Really, or is that a typo? The shooter shot T3 first then changed mag and engaged T2 as last target. Meaning, he went right to left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreed911 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Larus said: The shooter shot T3 first then changed mag and engaged T2 as last target. Meaning, he went right to left. Then he definitely screwed up. First string is T2 only, second string is T1 then T3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlandoech Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Yes per the brief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadside72 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Did he engage T1 at all? First string is T2 only and second is T1 and T3 only, but you say on second string he shot T3 then T2. So there is also one FTSA and 6 extra hits since he shot T2 twice? We are missing some information here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 The problem with these VC scoring threads is that the original information is commonly lacking detail. Without the exact scenario, it is impossible to reach a correct score. Prior to a VC stage, the RO must clearly understand the WSB and closely observe the shooter's run. If the RO doesn't count shots (or is unable to recreate the shot sequence/cadence), or other details of the run, it is probably not possible to determine what violations may have occurred. If the scorekeeper is not attentive to what's going on, the timer RO has no support. One of my sig lines applies here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, George Jones said: The problem with these VC scoring threads is that the original information is commonly lacking detail. Without the exact scenario, it is impossible to reach a correct score. Prior to a VC stage, the RO must clearly understand the WSB and closely observe the shooter's run. If the RO doesn't count shots (or is unable to recreate the shot sequence/cadence), or other details of the run, it is probably not possible to determine what violations may have occurred. If the scorekeeper is not attentive to what's going on, the timer RO has no support. One of my sig lines applies here. But the good thing is, people are reading the rules that rarely would otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 @George Jones To your sig lines I would add: Officiating is a team sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Edited February 10, 2021 by George Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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