BlackBuzzard Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Too expensive for significant law enforcement interest? So it will be almost entirely sold to serious competition enthusiasts. Link to comment
Sarge Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, BlackBuzzard said: So it will be almost entirely sold to serious competition enthusiasts. So they’ll make like 3 or 4 of them? Link to comment
egd5 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 3 or 4 competitors who are really serious contenders, 3 or 4 thousand who think they are. Link to comment
TonytheTiger Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Posvar said: Another note, since this is not replacing the GMR it seems they are implying that this will not be offered as a retro kit for the GMR. I think it’s fairly safe that this is true. What do you think? The lower they had pictured is not a standard glock mag receiver. So if the lower is proprietary, and the upper definitely is, there won't be any way to retrofit it into existing guns. Link to comment
SteelCityShooter Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 hours ago, egd5 said: 3 or 4 competitors who are really serious contenders, 3 or 4 thousand who think they are. And many, many more who know they aren't competitive but enjoy owning "the best" and can afford to indulge their desires. I have no illusions about my skill or competitive level but I splurged on a GMR-15 just because I wanted to own a top-tier PCC. Others will do the same to own a JP-5. Yeah, as PCCs go these things are expensive, but when you consider that Wilson, Ed Brown, Nighthawk and Les Baer sell 1911's for well upwards of $3000 and have months or years long order backlogs, maybe JP's aren't so expensive afterall. Link to comment
Posvar Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SteelCityShooter said: And many, many more who know they aren't competitive but enjoy owning "the best" and can afford to indulge their desires. I have no illusions about my skill or competitive level but I splurged on a GMR-15 just because I wanted to own a top-tier PCC. Others will do the same to own a JP-5. Yeah, as PCCs go these things are expensive, but when you consider that Wilson, Ed Brown, Nighthawk and Les Baer sell 1911's for well upwards of $3000 and have months or years long order backlogs, maybe JP's aren't so expensive afterall. Heck I have an HK SP5 so this thing will be much more affordable and more competition oriented. Edited February 6, 2021 by Posvar Link to comment
Silverscooby27 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Posvar said: Heck I have an HK SP5 so this thing will be much more affordable and more competition oriented. I wouldn’t count on more affordable. Link to comment
ltdmstr Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 9 hours ago, Posvar said: Another note, since this is not replacing the GMR it seems they are implying that this will not be offered as a retro kit for the GMR. I think it’s fairly safe that this is true. What do you think? I doubt a retrofit would be practical considering most of the major components are probably different and not interchangeable. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 what is money anyway I want one. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 And you guys are lucky Europe will be year later like usual... Link to comment
dung Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Give me scorpion mags and I am in. I love how mp5s shoot, but I am slow as can be with the ergos Link to comment
Texaspaul Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 So why Scorpion mags over Glock - how can a double feed magazine be better that a single point feed? Link to comment
36873687 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 On 1/3/2021 at 8:52 PM, Texaspaul said: Here it comes a $3,000.00 PCC Yep Link to comment
SAR421 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 17 hours ago, Texaspaul said: So why Scorpion mags over Glock - how can a double feed magazine be better that a single point feed? Double Stack/Double Feed is superior to Double Stack/Single Feed, this has been a known good design element of submachine guns for almost 100 years. The weak point in double to single is the taper which is an additional friction point and usually the cause of malfunction in the magazine. This has been an issue in high cyclic rate firearms like submachine guns. Additional considerations for a dedicated PCC magazine over a Pistol magazine are that a PCC magazine typically has a curve which also aids in reliable feeding, 30+ round straight magazines like in a pistol are also potential for feeding errors. Also, the feed angle on a pistol magazine is an unnatural reload angle to put the round in the correct presentation to the chamber. A dedicated PCC mag has a natural reload angle relative the the presentation of the round. All that said, I’m sure it will be fine with the JP, they’ve been making a reliable Glock fed platform for a while. I do wish they offered both a Glock and Scorpion mag version though. I’d probably select Glock if I already shot one in competition and Scorpion if I shot anything else. Link to comment
Neomet Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 8:59 AM, Sarge said: So they’ll make like 3 or 4 of them? You would be confusing serious competitive shooters with seriously competitive shooters. Some of the most serious competitive shooters I have ever seen are guys fighting for 10th in C class. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 They will sell shiploads! Easy. Link to comment
egd5 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/12/2021 at 8:06 PM, Neomet said: You would be confusing serious competitive shooters with seriously competitive shooters. Some of the most serious competitive shooters I have ever seen are guys fighting for 10th in C class. And they're the ones trying every new thing to get that extra .03 on splits. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 hours ago, egd5 said: And they're the ones trying every new thing to get that extra .03 on splits. and just like new toys and enjoy their lives Link to comment
Neomet Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Sorry, I was just having a play on words there. I have seen Cs and GMs having ridiculous amounts of fun, and I have seen Cs and GMs as serious as if they were deciding which of their children to put the oxygen mask on. No offense intended to anyone. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Neomet said: Sorry, I was just having a play on words there. I have seen Cs and GMs having ridiculous amounts of fun, and I have seen Cs and GMs as serious as if they were deciding which of their children to put the oxygen mask on. No offense intended to anyone. Whoaa I come over to a local match and beat you with my new JP Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 not a bad idea though Link to comment
Neomet Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 That could well happen! LOL Careful if you come over here though. Local matches mean you are competing with National and World champions. It is about as ego-unfriendly a place as you can find on the planet for this sport. Link to comment
Fasthenk65 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Neomet said: That could well happen! LOL Careful if you come over here though. Local matches mean you are competing with National and World champions. It is about as ego-unfriendly a place as you can find on the planet for this sport. At least I learn what to train more then. PCC matches still rare in Europe. Next one will be June (if they proceed this year) the Xtreme Euro Open in Czech (if Max Leograndis participates again I drop to 60% Link to comment
Posvar Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Nice little video review on Facebook. Shoots very nicely. Looks like 3k will be the price. End of year possibly for the masses. Link to comment
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