Drama in the PRS world

[Stjs45]

 

2 hours ago, Ming the Merciless said:

 

As long as you aren't handling the loaded magazines, no excuses needed for having a belt full of ammo at the safe table while you 'mess' with your gun, it is perfectly within the USPSA rules.

 

That at all is not at all how the clubs around here run their matches. Its called a dry table for a reason. No ammo at the table period. On you, on your belt, loose or in your hand. Dont know what the "book" says, but at least here they run it that way. It makes sense California would be different.

 

Do you know the sub chapter where it identifies you can have ammo at the table? 

[Stjs45]

Im not trying to be combative at all BTW. Im sure you have much more knowledge about this than I do. That why I'm asking for the book, to get educated. 

[louu]

6 hours ago, Stjs45 said:

 

 

That at all is not at all how the clubs around here run their matches. Its called a dry table for a reason. No ammo at the table period. On you, on your belt, loose or in your hand. Dont know what the "book" says, but at least here they run it that way. It makes sense California would be different.

 

Do you know the sub chapter where it identifies you can have ammo at the table? 

If the clubs around there are having uspsa matches they have to abide by the uspsa rule set including the safe table rules. If you are shooting uspsa you have to take the time to read the rule book. 

[BillChunn]

7 hours ago, Stjs45 said:

Im not trying to be combative at all BTW. Im sure you have much more knowledge about this than I do. That why I'm asking for the book, to get educated. 

 

USPSA Competition Rules March 2020 v2 20

 

2.4 Safety Areas

The host organization is responsible for the construction and placement of a sufficient number of Safety Areas for the match. They should be conveniently placed and easily identified with signs. At Level II or higher matches, Safety Areas must include a table with the safe direction and boundaries clearly shown.

 

2.4.1 Competitors are permitted to use the Safety Areas for the activities stated below provided they remain within the boundaries of the Safety Area and the firearm is pointed in a safe direction. Violations are subject to match disqualification (see Rules 10.5.1 & 10.5.12).

 

2.4.1.1 Casing, uncasing, and holstering unloaded firearms.

 

2.4.1.2 Practice the mounting, drawing, “dry-firing” and re-holstering of unloaded firearms.

 

2.4.1.3 Practice the insertion and removal of empty magazines and/or to cycle the action of a firearm.

 

2.4.1.4 Conduct inspections, stripping, cleaning, repairs and maintenance of firearms, component parts and other accessories.

 

2.4.2 Dummy ammunition (including practice or training rounds, snap caps and empty cases), loaded magazines, loaded speed loading devices and live rounds must not be handled in a Safety Area under any circumstances (see Rule 10.5.12).

 

10.5.1 Handling a firearm at any time except when in a designated safety area or when under the supervision of, and in response to a direct command issued by, a Range Officer. This includes deliberately removing a flag from a PCC except under the conditions listed here.

 

10.5.12 Handling live or dummy ammunition (including practice or training rounds, snap caps and empty cases), loaded magazines or loaded speed loading devices in a Safety Area, or failing to comply with Rule 2.4.1. The word “handling” does not preclude competitors from entering a Safety Area with ammunition in magazines or speed loading devices on their belt, in their pockets or in their range bag, provided the competitor does not physically remove the ammunition, loaded magazines or loaded speed loading devices from their retaining or storage device while within the Safety Area.

 

BC

[Ming the Merciless]

15 hours ago, Stjs45 said:

 

 

That at all is not at all how the clubs around here run their matches. Its called a dry table for a reason. No ammo at the table period. On you, on your belt, loose or in your hand. Dont know what the "book" says, but at least here they run it that way. It makes sense California would be different.

 

Do you know the sub chapter where it identifies you can have ammo at the table? 

 

It's called a 'safe table' and right now in Commiefornia it would definitely NOT be a dry table...it's been raining for the past week.

[Stjs45]

9 hours ago, BillChunn said:

 

USPSA Competition Rules March 2020 v2 20

 

2.4 Safety Areas

The host organization is responsible for the construction and placement of a sufficient number of Safety Areas for the match. They should be conveniently placed and easily identified with signs. At Level II or higher matches, Safety Areas must include a table with the safe direction and boundaries clearly shown.

 

2.4.1 Competitors are permitted to use the Safety Areas for the activities stated below provided they remain within the boundaries of the Safety Area and the firearm is pointed in a safe direction. Violations are subject to match disqualification (see Rules 10.5.1 & 10.5.12).

 

2.4.1.1 Casing, uncasing, and holstering unloaded firearms.

 

2.4.1.2 Practice the mounting, drawing, “dry-firing” and re-holstering of unloaded firearms.

 

2.4.1.3 Practice the insertion and removal of empty magazines and/or to cycle the action of a firearm.

 

2.4.1.4 Conduct inspections, stripping, cleaning, repairs and maintenance of firearms, component parts and other accessories.

 

2.4.2 Dummy ammunition (including practice or training rounds, snap caps and empty cases), loaded magazines, loaded speed loading devices and live rounds must not be handled in a Safety Area under any circumstances (see Rule 10.5.12).

 

10.5.1 Handling a firearm at any time except when in a designated safety area or when under the supervision of, and in response to a direct command issued by, a Range Officer. This includes deliberately removing a flag from a PCC except under the conditions listed here.

 

10.5.12 Handling live or dummy ammunition (including practice or training rounds, snap caps and empty cases), loaded magazines or loaded speed loading devices in a Safety Area, or failing to comply with Rule 2.4.1. The word “handling” does not preclude competitors from entering a Safety Area with ammunition in magazines or speed loading devices on their belt, in their pockets or in their range bag, provided the competitor does not physically remove the ammunition, loaded magazines or loaded speed loading devices from their retaining or storage device while within the Safety Area.

 

BC

 

Bill,

Your the Man. 10.5.2 is it. Not that I want to go challenge the local club or go against their practices, but now I can take about it with out speculating. Thanx!

[bdpaz]

On 2/14/2021 at 11:06 PM, Stjs45 said:

 

 

...Its called a dry table for a reason...

Who calls it a "dry table"? I suppose if you are going to make up a name you could try and make up rules to go along with it, but I've never heard that name.