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USPSA -> IPSC Equipment Rosetta Stone?


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23 hours ago, StealthyBlagga said:

My USPSA club wants to start running regular IPSC matches. Of course, most of our regulars only have USPSA gear so we need an easy way to educate them on what needs to be changed on their guns and gear to comply. I am familiar with the differences myself, but am hoping a "Rosetta Stone" document already exists so I don't have to create one myself. If anyone has one they can share (or a suggestion of where to look on the internet), it would save me a lot of work. Thanks in advance.

I hope they don't.....

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9 hours ago, SGT_Schultz said:

 

Agree.  I'm not sure who is behind such a change at the OP's club but I cannot imagine it will be well received by their customers once they find out about 90% of their stuff is either flat illegal or will need major changes.

 

 

I was not a fan and neither were all the ones on our squad and would not do it again. 

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6 hours ago, ChuckS said:

PS: As a stopgap, have them read the IPSC rulebook. 😉 

 

That really is the best advice.  They can start in the appendices and from them they will get probably 95% of the equipment issues they'll have to sort out.

 

It took me less than 10 minutes to figure out that none of my handguns will work.  Aside from all the modifications that USPSA allows but IPSC doesn't, there's that 127 mm minimum barrel length for Production and Production Optics.

 

I know why it's there but this is the United States.  We don't have the legal and regulatory problems the rest of the world has when it comes to concealable handguns.

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IPSC rules are garbage. 
Most of the CO guys will be better off shooting Open. A good majority of the Production guys wont be legal there either unless they are shooting bone stock guns, but hey, race holsters and 15 round mags.

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20 hours ago, ChuckS said:

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PS: As a stopgap, have them read the IPSC rulebook. 😉 

 

Some rules might need interpretation ;)

For example (APPENDIX D3: Classic Division):

17. Prohibited modifications / parts are slide lightening cuts, ...

 

What is a "slide lightening cut"?

Actually, you can shape and serrate the slide pretty freely, EXCEPT: you cannot make cuts all the way through the slide.

 

 

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Sgt Schultz,  that's 127mm max barrel length

 

APPENDIX D4:  Production Division

1.

Minimum power factor for Major

Not applicable

2.

Minimum power factor for Minor

125

3.

Minimum bullet weight

No

4.

Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length

9 mm (0.354") / 19 mm (0.748")

5.

Minimum bullet caliber for Major

Not applicable

6.

Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix E4a)

2.27kg (5lbs.) for first shot or 1.36kg

(3lbs.) for every shot, see below

7.

Maximum handgun size

Maximum barrel length 127 mm

8.

Maximum magazine length

No

9.

Maximum ammunition capacity

Yes, see below 

10.

Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso

50 mm (see Rule 5.2.5)

11.

Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies

Yes

12.

Optical/electronic sights

No

13.

Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors

No

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A long while back our club tossed around the idea of IPSC matches.  The gear differences were the biggest stumbling block, but we had an idea for people that wanted to get some of the flavor without going whole-hog, by implementing some of the big differences and ignoring a lot of the little ones into 'pseudo-IPSC' gear.  

 

The match would be neither fish nor fowl in a couple places, but give some people that might never travel a chance to try it.   If you had full-on IPSC-legal gear, you could compete for separate "real-IPSC" awards versus "Pseudo-IPSC"

 

I think the gear plan was:

Production shooters load 15 rounds in mags (probably the same for CO now.  Back then it wasn't a thing).

Limited shooters I think the limit was 18 rounds in a mag, holster preferably moved to behind the hip. 

Open 28 rounds in the mag

IIRC SS & Revo got left alone.

 

 

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2 hours ago, terrydoc said:

Sgt Schultz,  that's 127mm max barrel length

 

APPENDIX D4:  Production Division

1.

Minimum power factor for Major

Not applicable

2.

Minimum power factor for Minor

125

3.

Minimum bullet weight

No

4.

Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length

9 mm (0.354") / 19 mm (0.748")

5.

Minimum bullet caliber for Major

Not applicable

6.

Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix E4a)

2.27kg (5lbs.) for first shot or 1.36kg

(3lbs.) for every shot, see below

7.

Maximum handgun size

Maximum barrel length 127 mm

8.

Maximum magazine length

No

9.

Maximum ammunition capacity

Yes, see below 

10.

Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso

50 mm (see Rule 5.2.5)

11.

Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies

Yes

12.

Optical/electronic sights

No

13.

Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors

No

 

Doh......Read too fast

 

Still, way too much that we can do that renders most of our guns illegal

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oh I forgot about that one. Glock 34 not legal. Trigger pull limits. Production gets 15 rounds and Standard gets 18. Standard has a box and mags behind the hip, but Production gets race hostlers. The more I talk about it the more I hate it

 

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