lroy Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) From what I've read, the advantage lighter bullets have is the slide cycles faster. I've been watching a lot of slomo footage of shooters that win titles. (From Footage they provide. Clear shots of the gun in recoil.) None of them reset the trigger before the slide returns. It seems like it just cycles too fast, regardless of the bullet/powder combo. In any slomo footage I've watched of doubles, I have yet to see someone waiting on the slide to return to fire again. I'm getting the impression that even a heavy projectile with less powder would still easily cycle slide faster than anyone could fire again. Running low and about to place my next order. Appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. Edited November 24, 2020 by lroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Heavy vs light is dependent on what feels best and times out best for YOU. I like a fast cycling gun and the snap that lifts up the slide also snaps it back down for me. Others say they can watch the sights all through the cycle with a slow heavy bullet. There is only what works best for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Much ado about nothing... Shoot whatever is cheap and available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 15 hours ago, 4n2t0 said: Much ado about nothing... Shoot whatever is cheap and available. Until you go to a match where the steel is hard set and the 115's won't knock them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Surfer Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 For felt recoil yeah but for accuracy no, not for me. I was in the heavy bullet camp for more years and years but since switched to the light to medium weight bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Surfer Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 hours ago, RePete said: Until you go to a match where the steel is hard set and the 115's won't knock them down. This is what started me on the heavy bullet path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 A 230 grain bullet tends to put'em down - if I hit'em. A heavier bullet in a non-compensated pistol tends to feel softer. That might or might not make it easier to score with. With Open pistols things are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/24/2020 at 6:25 AM, lroy said: From what I've read, the advantage lighter bullets have is the slide cycles faster. I've been watching a lot of slomo footage of shooters that win titles. (From Footage they provide. Clear shots of the gun in recoil.) None of them reset the trigger before the slide returns. It seems like it just cycles too fast, regardless of the bullet/powder combo. In any slomo footage I've watched of doubles, I have yet to see someone waiting on the slide to return to fire again. I'm getting the impression that even a heavy projectile with less powder would still easily cycle slide faster than anyone could fire again. Running low and about to place my next order. Appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. First what is your current load? Next what do you won't it to do ? Does it have to much recoil? Are your double taps more than two inches apart at speed? The matches that you shoot do they have lots of steel or paper? In 9mm the 135 weight was created for people who liked the softer recoil but needed more reliable "knock down power" on steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, AHI said: ? In 9mm the 135 weight was created for people who liked the softer recoil but needed more reliable "knock down power" on steel. IIRC the 135's were first used by people shooting 38 Super and it migrated down to the 9mm. For years there wasn't much, if any, load data for 9mm. Jeff Maass site http://www.k8nd.com/documents/hl38sup.pdf http://www.k8nd.com/documents/hl40sw.pdf http://www.k8nd.com/documents/hl9x21.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHI Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) yes I stated it wrong . The use of 135s give people who wanted more reliable knock down on steel over a 115 with the softer recoil of a 147 but slightly faster slide speed . or do you need it stated differently. Edited November 25, 2020 by AHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Surfer Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/24/2020 at 1:25 AM, lroy said: I have yet to see someone waiting on the slide to return to fire again. I have, we have a couple of guys who can shoot as if they were bump firing. I believe them when they tell me that they have to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 It depends on the gun and division heavier bullets feel more like a push Lighter more snappy, faster cycling i used to run 147s in production then 1 match I ran out of my match ammo, so I grabbed what I had, 115 factory ball, 124 and 147 jhp and what little of my match ammo I had and shot the match. Some mags had 115 some with 147 and a couple with all 3 and what I noticed was I didn’t notice any difference while shooting the stage i was too busy watching my sights and executing my stage plan I also have a 6” 40 with a lighten slide and I run 165’s, anything heavier and the gun cycles too slow, I feel like a could smoke a cigarette between shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 58 minutes ago, AHI said: yes I stated it wrong . The use of 135s give people who wanted more reliable knock down on steel over a 115 with the softer recoil of a 147 but slightly faster slide speed . or do you need it stated differently. We good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lroy Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, rishii said: It depends on the gun and division heavier bullets feel more like a push Lighter more snappy, faster cycling i used to run 147s in production then 1 match I ran out of my match ammo, so I grabbed what I had, 115 factory ball, 124 and 147 jhp and what little of my match ammo I had and shot the match. Some mags had 115 some with 147 and a couple with all 3 and what I noticed was I didn’t notice any difference while shooting the stage i was too busy watching my sights and executing my stage plan I also have a 6” 40 with a lighten slide and I run 165’s, anything heavier and the gun cycles too slow, I feel like a could smoke a cigarette between shots Not noticing a difference during the stage is the most likely scenario. Too much else going on. I would be very curious, when recording your gun in slomo, if you're actually beating the slide return. I have never seen anyone beat the side return, even with slower projectiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 On a 1911 you can’t fire the gun until the slide is back in battery With my 6” limited gun with heavier bullets, I’m waiting for the gun to cycle to fire the second shot but I’m also primarily a open shooter where the gun does cycle quick ive fired .10-.12 splits on occasion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 11/25/2020 at 1:28 AM, RePete said: Until you go to a match where the steel is hard set and the 115's won't knock them down. Yea then speed them up to power factor stop shooting sub minor loads. 125 power. Factor is the same for knocking steel down rather you get there with a 115 grain bullet or a 147. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakerjd Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I've tries 124/5, 135, 147 and 150gn 9mm for minor. My current favorite is 135gn. PF is 128-130 depending weather. I shoot in MI and all the way down to Florida. The 147 seems to make the gun feel sluggish. 124 was good but once I tried 135 I loved them. Little bit of snap but still soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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