Unregistered Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just a reminder for anyone that cares (might be very few on here) - sight block guns are NOT legal for IPSC Standard division even if it fits in the box. Sight tracker barrels are good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFargo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 That's a good one.... in case you have aspirations of going to the World Shoot..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Unregistered said: Just a reminder for anyone that cares (might be very few on here) - sight block guns are NOT legal for IPSC Standard division even if it fits in the box. Sight tracker barrels are good to go. it was 2 y. ago. from 1. 1 .2020 it's legal. from this reason i own one. Edited January 28, 2021 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unregistered Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, yigal said: it was 2 y. ago. from 1. 1 .2020 it's legal. from this reason i own one. I wouldn't risk it. From the IPSC website (Rules -> FAQs) Standard Division 1. Standard Division prohibits compensators. If I have an attachment extending forward of the barrel & slide of my gun, but there are no holes in the attachment other the hole in the barrel from which the bullet exits, is this legal? No. A weight attached to the end of the muzzle is still deemed to be a compensator, even if it does not have holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 https://atlasgunworks.com/atlas-gunworks-artemis I would have to think Atlas consulted some officials before they put this pistol out there for IPSC Standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Unregistered said: I wouldn't risk it. From the IPSC website (Rules -> FAQs) Standard Division 1. Standard Division prohibits compensators. If I have an attachment extending forward of the barrel & slide of my gun, but there are no holes in the attachment other the hole in the barrel from which the bullet exits, is this legal? No. A weight attached to the end of the muzzle is still deemed to be a compensator, even if it does not have holes. okt.2. 2019 Our BUL SAS RADICAL 5.4/5.7 was approved for IPSC few weeks ago. Attached you can find the conclusion of the meeting regarding the RADICAL of what is the reason for the approval. Please let me know if you need anything else Best Regards, Yonel Jerozalski – Sales Manager A AT Z Technologies Ltd. that what i found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unregistered Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 hours ago, RangerTrace said: https://atlasgunworks.com/atlas-gunworks-artemis I would have to think Atlas consulted some officials before they put this pistol out there for IPSC Standard. 3 hours ago, yigal said: okt.2. 2019 Our BUL SAS RADICAL 5.4/5.7 was approved for IPSC few weeks ago. Attached you can find the conclusion of the meeting regarding the RADICAL of what is the reason for the approval. Please let me know if you need anything else Best Regards, Yonel Jerozalski – Sales Manager A AT Z Technologies Ltd. that what i found. Do you take the word of a firearms manufacturer, or the word of the organization that guns and governs the sport? I may be wrong - it's a idiotic rule that needs to be changed - but I personally wouldn't buy or use such a gun at any IPSC match that matters until official announcement is made from IPSC. All official evidence and sources currently point to sight blocked guns being illegal for Standard division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unregistered Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, yigal said: Excellent news! Let's hope it gets sorted out and made official soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) It's been official for ages, they just dont keep on top of the website anymore. Edited January 28, 2021 by dansedgli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Unregistered said: Excellent news! Let's hope it gets sorted out and made official soon. Nothing happened. I understand that news arrives late to small islands, which are far away cz CM has nice version with sight block . but i didn't liked this version of their gun. and its legal for limited too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludde Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 12 hours ago, dansedgli said: It's been official for ages, they just dont keep on top of the website anymore. Hmm, there I do not agree with you completely. Unless it is revised and added to the rulebook or as a additional clarification to the Rules FAQs page on the official IPSC webpage. It is not official regardless of what people want to think. Just because someone discusses (general assembly) and has their opinion about it it is not official until the documents (rulebook or clarification in the FAQ) are updated and released officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansedgli Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 15 hours ago, Ludde said: Hmm, there I do not agree with you completely. Unless it is revised and added to the rulebook or as a additional clarification to the Rules FAQs page on the official IPSC webpage. It is not official regardless of what people want to think. Just because someone discusses (general assembly) and has their opinion about it it is not official until the documents (rulebook or clarification in the FAQ) are updated and released officially. Ok, so it must be disallowed in the rule book right? Which part is it under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) IPSC level 3 with a BUL radical 5.4 last year. Edited January 30, 2021 by bulm540 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Yes it has been confirmed already in this competition. During which some club members caught a mysterious illness and it took them more than half a year to recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludde Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, dansedgli said: Ok, so it must be disallowed in the rule book right? Which part is it under? You can find all necessary OFFICIAL information on the IPSC.org website if You want to figure out the current state of rules that apply. Personally I tried to push this subject in the right direction a while back and the attached document is what I shared with the regional RD and persons on the official IPSC FB page. The definition of Compensators in the rulebook and how should we interpret it for Standard Division.pdf One more source of information of the current state of interpretation is also the following: https://www.ipsc.org/ipsc-rules/rules-faqs/ " Standard Division 1. Standard Division prohibits compensators. If I have an attachment extending forward of the barrel & slide of my gun, but there are no holes in the attachment other the hole in the barrel from which the bullet exits, is this legal? No. A weight attached to the end of the muzzle is still deemed to be a compensator, even if it does not have holes. " It does not really matter if someone has competed with a sight block gun or not in some matches. If that is allowed then there has been a local interpretation made that has gone against the current official rules and their official explanations. Wish they could officially update this stupid interpretation of the rules.... to what we all deem is common sense. Then the next official information on the subject is. But please note that until the official rulebook or additional clarification is made it is not yet official. Edited January 30, 2021 by Ludde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBurgess Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 8:59 PM, bulm540 said: IPSC level 3 with a BUL radical 5.4 last year. If I recall correctly Bull gets around the rule by having the sight block as part of the barrel like a STI true bore comp not screwed on to a barrel like most every other sight block gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludde Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Latest OFFICIAL update on this topic: " IPSC President Newsletter - March 2021 Spanish version is below. Dear Regional Directors, Dear Athletes, Dear Range Officers, Dear Instructors and Trainers, I would like to share some news from the recent Executive Council meeting: 1) IPSC ESS was approved by the President to be used as an official scoring program for IPSC competitions. 2) Terms of Reference of Course Design Committee were presented to the meeting and after minor changes they will be uploaded to the Regional Director protected page in a short while. 3) It was decided that weights attached to the barrel of a Standard Division handgun that do not extend beyond the muzzle will be permitted. " This means that some versions e.g. Atlas Gunworks Nemesis (if you could fit it in the standard box by trimming the beavertail and magwell) would not be allowed because the sight block extends past the end of the barrel. - 5 inch barrel extended by block to 5,4 inch (Nemesis) - 4,6 inch barrel extended by block to ~5 inch (Artemis) AGW Nemesis sightblock: Another example, CZ Czechmate would be allowed because the sightblock sits flush with the end of the barrel. And all other one piece barrel/sightblock configurations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 So it just needs rifling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, waktasz said: So it just needs rifling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludde Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, waktasz said: So it just needs rifling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFargo Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Okay, probably not a lot of guys with a Nemesis / Arthemis going to the World shoot, but still..... I'm sure a few of the Atlas team will be going, right? Why the hell... would you make technical rule changes in a World Shoot year???? Nice little present for the guys, having to have their main and backup gun modified. I'm no gunsmith, but I'm guessing it's going to result in a new barrel - sightblock combo... Why not wait untill after the World Shoot with something like this? It's not like there's any advantage.... The gun still needs to fit the box, so one guy will have a 5,4 inch gun with rifling till the end (in other words, a Bul Radical 5.4) and the other guy will have a 5,4 inch gun without rifling in the sight block ( the Atlas Nemesis) and his is illegal and he has to spend thousands to modify his main and back up gun. Nice going, IPSC..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludde Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, WFargo said: Okay, probably not a lot of guys with a Nemesis / Arthemis going to the World shoot, but still..... I'm sure a few of the Atlas team will be going, right? Why the hell... would you make technical rule changes in a World Shoot year???? Nice little present for the guys, having to have their main and backup gun modified. I'm no gunsmith, but I'm guessing it's going to result in a new barrel - sightblock combo... Why not wait untill after the World Shoot with something like this? It's not like there's any advantage.... The gun still needs to fit the box, so one guy will have a 5,4 inch gun with rifling till the end (in other words, a Bul Radical 5.4) and the other guy will have a 5,4 inch gun without rifling in the sight block ( the Atlas Nemesis) and his is illegal and he has to spend thousands to modify his main and back up gun. Nice going, IPSC..... Bear in mind a Nemesis or Artemis with a threaded on sight block has not been approved until now* and that is a fact *assuming they extend their barrel to the end of the block they will be approved. Check the attached documents earlier in this thread if you are unaware of the official ruling that has been in effect a long time. Edited March 18, 2021 by Ludde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 They probably want to avoid this type of weight because people can take advantage of this space for a closed expansion chamber, which will work as a compensator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Money Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 I think it's funny we are acting like Whirled Chute 2021 is actually going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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