CClassForLife Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Carry Optics Nationals is held in Frostproof this year. The range is notorious for having the sun being in your face when shooting on the AM squads. When the sun hits the optic from the front, it might cause a false dot to appear. Some go ahead and buy an optic that mitigates this issue (Sig 3XL), others learn to ignore the false dot, and a few get surprised as they see it for the first time. The simplest solution is to just get some blue painter's tape and tape the front of the optic. No more false dot, higher contrast with the red dot, and it protects your lens. Heck it's so good, I might just shoot all my matches with it from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethdaniel05 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I’ve always just ignored the false dot. Going to try this and see how it like it.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Take the front of the optic? Have a picture of this to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CClassForLife Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Nic_USPSA_C said: Take the front of the optic? Have a picture of this to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 That's an old Open shooter trick for learning to shoot both eyes open too. If you're closing one eye, all you see is tape. Both open and everything looks amazingly normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I will put some tape in my bag and try this out. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) Some limitations: Shooting behind barricades and thru window/port with grills. Even if both eyes open wont see targets, only see the tape. At least for me. Edited September 10, 2020 by BoyGlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intheshaw1 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 What about an opaque tape? Something you can kind of see through but may be a little matte and not reflect the sun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishii Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Same principle as the old Armson Occluded Eye Gunsight (OEG) one of the early dot sights A solid tube with a tritium? Dot, look thru it with one eye closed and all you see is the dot, open both eyes and the red dot gets superimposed onto what you’re looking at. A definite what the hell the 1st time I used one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stick Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Having shot a lot of matches at Frostproof, You definitely need something. I've seen a lot of people use hoods on their optic. I have the Arredondo hood for my C-mores. I'm not sure about the Sig. You can easily make one with the blue painters tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 At the World Shoot in Frostproof we started the morning on the mover stage looking straight into the rising sun. At least a couple iron-sight contenders on the squad taped large visor-extensions onto their hats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 10:37 PM, BoyGlock said: Some limitations: Shooting behind barricades and thru window/port with grills. Even if both eyes open wont see targets, only see the tape. At least for me. Yeah, it's not something you keep doing. At least it wasn't in the old Open days. You'd do it until you learned to keep both eyes open, then take the tape off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohsevenflhx Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I didn't know this... interesting. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) On 9/12/2020 at 11:50 AM, rishii said: Same principle as the old Armson Occluded Eye Gunsight (OEG) one of the early dot sights A solid tube with a tritium? Dot, look thru it with one eye closed and all you see is the dot, open both eyes and the red dot gets superimposed onto what you’re looking at. A definite what the hell the 1st time I used one Hahah beat me to mentioning this bit of history. Lots of IG carry optics videos lately w occluded sights. Matt Hemple is especially showing them lately. Edited September 14, 2020 by rowdyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Step 1: Spray. Step 2: Pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 7:22 PM, Intheshaw1 said: What about an opaque tape? Something you can kind of see through but may be a little matte and not reflect the sun? I'm pretty sure If you put something like tape on the dot you'd have to leave it there for the whole match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Quote 5.1.7 Competitors must use the same firearm and type of sights for all courses of fire in a match. However, in the event that a competitor’s original firearm and/or sights become unserviceable or unsafe during a match, the competitor must, before using a substitute firearm and/or sights, seek permission from the Range Master who may approve the substitution provided he is satisfied: 5.1.8 A competitor who substitutes or significantly modifies a firearm during a match without the prior approval of the Range Master will be subject to the provisions of Section 10.6. The sights are the same type, and is blue painters tape a significant modification? It's a good point to bring up though Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CClassForLife Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, waktasz said: The sights are the same type, and is blue painters tape a significant modification? It's a good point to bring up though Mike Good point, I'm asking for Area 4 and will update accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, waktasz said: The sights are the same type, and is blue painters tape a significant modification? It's a good point to bring up though Mike I can think of RM's I'd bet would say that is significant, especially if you told them you were doing it to help with the sunlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CClassForLife Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) I asked the Area 4 RM: Quote Am I allowed to put the tape off and on between stages? For example, do I need to ask for permission if I want it on for stage 1, off for stage 2, on for stage 3, etc.? His response: Quote Whatever equipment the pistol starts with needs to stay on for the whole match. That said the tape on the scope is not really covered under the rules, similar to skateboard tape on grips. Do whatever you want with the tape. Edited September 16, 2020 by CClassForLife Formatting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I'd bump that question to dnroi, not the ad (no offense to the ad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic_USPSA_C Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 11:04 AM, CClassForLife said: Thanks, I will need to remeber this if I ever run into a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 9:39 PM, CClassForLife said: I asked the Area 4 RM: His response: I think you should explain the reason behind wanting to make that change. See if that changes the answer. And I'd agree with above about kicking it to the DNROI. He's basically saying you're equipment needs to stay the same for the whole match, but you can change your equipment from stage to stage if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CClassForLife Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, Racinready300ex said: I think you should explain the reason behind wanting to make that change. See if that changes the answer. And I'd agree with above about kicking it to the DNROI. He's basically saying you're equipment needs to stay the same for the whole match, but you can change your equipment from stage to stage if you want. At first, the RM assumed it was for the purpose of a dust cover. I then explained it was to prevent a false dot when shooting into the sun. The response I posted was after the explanation. I'll email the DNROI and will update the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, CClassForLife said: At first, the RM assumed it was for the purpose of a dust cover. I then explained it was to prevent a false dot when shooting into the sun. The response I posted was after the explanation. I'll email the DNROI and will update the post. I bounced this off of a buddy of mine who's RM'd a few Area matches. He quickly said he'd call that a major modification and not allow it. Be interesting to see what DNROI says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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