waktasz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, DirkD said: There is nothing they can do, it is allowed in the uspsa rules, no local rules unless approved by uspsa in writing There is plenty they can do and that part of the rulebook has been proven to not mean s#!t. The club can easily throw you off their property if they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkD Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, waktasz said: There is plenty they can do and that part of the rulebook has been proven to not mean s#!t. The club can easily throw you off their property if they want to. They can lose their sanctioning too, it has happened to other clubs. If a uspsa match isn't following the rules, people won't go. Seen a few clubs go away because of their bs extra rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Not sure how USPSA club rules trump local range rules. At these ranges it is not the USPSA club but the range that makes these rules. This goes for all matches held, not just USPSA. So good luck arguing this with the local range Safety Officer that cruises the range and parking lot to enforce their rules. So what you are all saying is that all I have to say is I am here for the USPSA match and your range rules don't matter or apply? This is not the club tossing you it is the range. Is it really worth this instead of walking 50' to the range supplied safe table to handle your firearms? As far as I am concerned it pays to know the local range rules as well as USPSA rules. gerritm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 58 minutes ago, DirkD said: They can lose their sanctioning too, it has happened to other clubs. If a uspsa match isn't following the rules, people won't go. Seen a few clubs go away because of their bs extra rules. I guess all the clubs in PA with this rule that sell out in 10 minutes for their local match better watch out, or people won't go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, waktasz said: There is plenty they can do and that part of the rulebook has been proven to not mean s#!t. The club can easily throw you off their property if they want to. That’s always a good Trump card. The clubs around here all adhere to USPSA rules during matches and we don’t have RSO’s anyway. But people have been banned from various properties for things that wouldn’t fly with USPSA. Usually like talking s#!t about the club or staff, general assholery, etc. I love being an MD or RO but I’d rather be the range owner sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The BOD at that club is generally pretty good toward competition shooters but one thing they definitely definitely don't allow is people fiddling with guns in the trunks of their cars. I totally understand not having local rules and 100% don't think USPSA should, but in this case I'm with ok it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 47 minutes ago, waktasz said: The BOD at that club is generally pretty good toward competition shooters but one thing they definitely definitely don't allow is people fiddling with guns in the trunks of their cars. I totally understand not having local rules and 100% don't think USPSA should, but in this case I'm with ok it. I could live with that much easier than the example of reloading with muzzle over berm. PCC in parking lots doesn’t directly impact the shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Yes, change the rules of the sport during the actual COF is not something I'd compromise on either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, gerritm said: Not sure how USPSA club rules trump local range rules. At these ranges it is not the USPSA club but the range that makes these rules. This goes for all matches held, not just USPSA. So good luck arguing this with the local range Safety Officer that cruises the range and parking lot to enforce their rules. So what you are all saying is that all I have to say is I am here for the USPSA match and your range rules don't matter or apply? This is not the club tossing you it is the range. Is it really worth this instead of walking 50' to the range supplied safe table to handle your firearms? As far as I am concerned it pays to know the local range rules as well as USPSA rules. gerritm USPSA clubs aren't allowed to make up their own rules and DQ people for violating them. In a scenario like you described if local range staff kicks someone out of the range for violating a range rule, that person isn't DQed from the match, but it's hard to finish the match if you're not allowed to step foot on the range... Edited January 25 by Southpaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 You say that but it's still happened. Someone I know got DQ'd for not having their eye pro on while walking between bays at a match in NY a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Oh I'm sure it does happen. If range staff is tossing people off the range for violating range rules like that I suppose it should be marked as DNF, not a DQ, but if I got thrown out for some unknown range rule I wouldn't really care how it showed up on Practiscore. Clubs with range staff enforcing those kind of rules should warn people on registration page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 My thought when going to a new range that I don't know their local or range rules is to be on the safe side or to talk to other shooters when I arrive. How difficult is this concept to go to the safe area to do whatever. We all know this works. Makes sense to me. Most of these ranges with the strict parking lot rules would not throw someone not familiar with their rules out, just inform them what they are. Unless it was a blatant safety rule violation, then good riddance. Most of these are public ranges. With all the new gun owners there is a need to keep an eye on safety everywhere. gerritm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 18 hours ago, waktasz said: You say that but it's still happened. Someone I know got DQ'd for not having their eye pro on while walking between bays at a match in NY a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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